the Gurureports review of Meguiars #26

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Last night, I reviewed again that excellent review of the waxes in gurureports...And I noticed something that was quite an inconsistancy.



If you notice, the number of carnauba products which had measureable beads left at the 8 wk cycle were very very few...Matter of fact, I think the Collonite Marquis de Elegance was about the only one! Even their lower priced one had no measureable beads here....But, surprise of surprises, the Meguiars paste version of their well known #26 hi tech yellow wax had measureable beads left at 8 wks! Yet, despite this rarity, they only rated the Durability of this wax a grade of 'C', while at the same time, rating waxes with clearly less durability according to the empirical evidence they give 'C+' or 'B-'! I just cant understand why they werent jumping up and down and shouting about the fabulous durability of this particular Meguiars product, which out did just about every other carnauba product tested!
 
I would also have to attest to the longevity and toughness of #26. I had about 5 coats on my car for the past 4 months and when I went to dawn wash recently when I was starting over from scratch, it wouldnt take all the #26 off! I washed it like 2 or 3 times and yet it still beaded!



Meguiars #26 :up
 
They took other stuff into account than durability.



You could probably make a durable wax but it might not shine as good as one that only lasts 3 weeks.
 
They took other stuff into account than durability.
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Intel, sure, they took other stuff into account...But you didnt read my post.....I specifically said I was referring to the DURABILITY grade. If youll notice with each wax, they rate each of the qualities judged with a separate letter grade...DURABILITY was just one of them.....In this one grade, their letter grade absolutely did not match the wkly results they gave!



Capri,

>>I would also have to attest to the longevity and toughness of #26<<



Was this the liquid or the paste you had so much trouble removing?:up
 
I totally agree #26 paste is some very durable stuff. Only problem is for some reason when I use it on my Mustang it creates huge static electricity for like 2 weeks and everytime I open the door it shocks the crap out of me. This is the only car it does me this way with. As soon as I dawn wash I stop getting shocked :eek:
 
I totally agree #26 paste is some very durable stuff
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Ok, I think Im going to have to buy a container of this stuff, especially since gurureports shows that at 8 wks, its still beading as much as the collinite marquis de elegance, and even more than the editor's choice, Collinite doublecoat!



Now, the only question is paste, or liquid...The only longevity comments Ive read have been from people testing the paste...I like to use my PC for an even application of the stuff, and I can use paste or liquid... But liquid is easier to apply, so if the longevity were the same, Id pick up the liquid.



Can anybody vouch for the longevity of the liquid?
 
paul e said:


Intel, sure, they took other stuff into account...But you didnt read my post.....I specifically said I was referring to the DURABILITY grade. If youll notice with each wax, they rate each of the qualities judged with a separate letter grade...DURABILITY was just one of them.....In this one grade, their letter grade absolutely did not match the wkly results they gave!
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Opps, I thought you were talking about how the durability grade didn't affect the GPA of the wax or something like that.
 
Paul_E,



I would suggest the paste version of #26 mostly because paste goes allot farther than does the liquid. Also, I think it'll maximize the protection longevity. It is very easy to apply...goes on very slick and buttery. Be careful not to apply too thick though as if you do, it'll be a bear to remove. I've found just barely enough to see what you are applying is more than sufficient. If you can see allot of product when applying without having to look at odd angles then it's too thick.



I agree with the reports of #26 durability, it is great stuff that lastes way longer than any other paste carnauba I've ever used. 8 weeks on my non-garaged daily driver is the norm.
 
I use the liquid version. I find that if I shake the bottle often when applying, it buffs off easier (for whatever reasons I dont know!)
 
I use the liquid version
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Good...Then can you tell me, how long does an application of the LIquid #26 last before beading stops? The paste, according to gurureports reportedly lasts at least 8 wks, while still producing mearureable beads.
 
Paste = hand application



Liquid = machine application



Do not expect the liquid to last as long as the paste.



I reread the Wax Test results and it looks to me like #26 pooped out after 6 weeks. Not much better than any of the other Meguiar's paste waxes. Durability was valued at 30% of the overall grade. Looks to me like it got the grade it deserved.
 
I reread the Wax Test results and it looks to me like #26 pooped out after 6 weeks. Not much better than any of the other Meguiar's paste waxes
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Bret, either you didnt read it right, or read it too fast, or something...Allow me to show you:



after 6 wks, beads were still measureable at 1.25"

after 8 wks, beads were STILL measureable at 2.25"



Now as for other Meguiars pastes,

#16 had no beads at 8 wks

#19 had no beads at 6 or 8 wks

Gold Class had no measurable beads at 6 or 8 wks



As I said in my original post, teh ONLY paste carnauba besides the #26 that shows measureable beads at 8 wks is Collinite Marque DElegance, with 2" beads. Even their Super Doublecoat which rated a B+ in durability had no measureable beads at 8 wks...So, how come the #26 only rated a durability grade of C? This is the clear inconsistancy Im referring to...



Some of you guys are missing the point by stating that 'durability is only part of the total measurement, etc, etc'...No kidding...This has nothing to do with what IM talking about....Just focus on the durability grade, and you should see a large oversight and inconsistancy. If one is trying to buy wax with durability as the prime consideration, while still wanting to remain Carnauba, then you focus on these Durability letter grades, and you focus on the bead sizes at 8 wks...And if you do, you run across this paradox; that the #26 was 1 of only 2 waxes which had anything measureable at 8 wks, yet their durability letter grade, falls below many waxes who had absolutely no beading at 8 wks, and some with no beading at 6.



The only conclusion I can make is that either they made a mistake in their letter grade or their bead measurements, or, they are considering another factor which influences their durability letter grade they havent told us about....
 
bretfraz said:
Paste = hand application



Liquid = machine application



Do not expect the liquid to last as long as the paste.



I reread the Wax Test results and it looks to me like #26 pooped out after 6 weeks. Not much better than any of the other Meguiar's paste waxes. Durability was valued at 30% of the overall grade. Looks to me like it got the grade it deserved.
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I never use the liquid version of No. 26, only the paste, and I apply the paste with my trusty PC with no problem.



Two ways you can apply No. 26 paste by PC. With either method it helps to use a flat foam pad like the 6" Meguiar's Softbuff Finishing Pad or Griot's Red Foam Waxing Pad . For some reason, maybe because you're dealing with a paste rather than a liquid, it's easier to use the following methods with one of these two pads intead of one of the concave CMA pads



One way is to use the foam hand applicator that comes with the No. 26, and get as much on it as you can, the transfer as much as possible to the PC's pad by sort of "waxing" the PC's pad.



The second way is to take the plastic container of No. 26 paste, and with the lid off, microwave it for about 30 seconds on high, and use a plastic cake frosting spreader or a displosable plastic knife(like you get with takeout food) and "butter" the PC's pad from the center all the way to the outer edge. If you still have No. 26 in a metal can, then scoop some out into a disposable microwaveable food container (like Ziplok brand) and heat it for 30 seconds on high.



Put the PC Down on the paint, and wax away. I found with No. 26 Paste that a speed of 3 to 4 is all you need. Works great, and I've done it this way (especially the microwave method) about five times. I've had No. 26 last 10 to 14 weeks beading water.
 
I never use the liquid version of No. 26, only the paste, and I apply the paste with my trusty PC with no problem. ...Put the PC Down on the paint, and wax away. I found with No. 26 Paste that a speed of 3 to 4 is all you need. Works great, and I've done it this way (especially the microwave method) about five times. I've had No. 26 last 10 to 14 weeks beading water.
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Len, you are my HERO! Thanks a ton....Even though we both use PCs, youve got to admit that while its not at all difficult applying pastes with it, liquids are still easier...Given that #26 also comes in liquid, why do you still prefer to use the paste? Is it because we're always told that pastes last longer than liquids? Do we know this for sure? We need to hear from someone who uses the LIquid version and has noted its durability...Lets see if someone can make the same claim for the liquid that both you, and gurureports have made for the paste!



Im going to hold of buying until we find this out.



Getting back to your paste transfer techniques to the PC pad, I often use Blitz paste with teh PC....And for that, I always use my metal putty knife...I just drag it across the surface of the paste, accumulating about a tablespoon, and just spread it on the foam pad on the PC. Is there any reason we cant use this method with the #26 paste? Is the container too small for this?



Also, let me make a suggestion, since we both use Meguiars pads. I like to use the 6" pads when polishing because Im usually looking to hit a smaller area of swirls or damage...But for waxing, Ive actually found that with the 6" backing plate, that the 8" meguiars finishing pad works very well and shortens the process of applying wax. With polish, you want the control that the 6" pad gives....But with wax, you just want to apply the product, and the 8" pad is certainly good for that, and it gets the job done faster...If you need any more waxing pads, you may want to consider it.



Do you have to run into the hose each time you need to reload the pad, in order to remealt the product? Or, does it stay malleable enough for you with just one microwave mealtdown at the beginning?



And, thanks again.
 
paul e said:




Len, you are my HERO! Thanks a ton....Even though we both use PCs, youve got to admit that while its not at all difficult applying pastes with it, liquids are still easier...Given that #26 also comes in liquid, why do you still prefer to use the paste? Is it because we're always told that pastes last longer than liquids? Do we know this for sure? We need to hear from someone who uses the LIquid version and has noted its durability...Lets see if someone can make the same claim for the liquid that both you, and gurureports have made for the paste!



Im going to hold of buying until we find this out.



Getting back to your paste transfer techniques to the PC pad, I often use Blitz paste with teh PC....And for that, I always use my metal putty knife...I just drag it across the surface of the paste, accumulating about a tablespoon, and just spread it on the foam pad on the PC. Is there any reason we cant use this method with the #26 paste? Is the container too small for this?



Also, let me make a suggestion, since we both use Meguiars pads. I like to use the 6" pads when polishing because Im usually looking to hit a smaller area of swirls or damage...But for waxing, Ive actually found that with the 6" backing plate, that the 8" meguiars finishing pad works very well and shortens the process of applying wax. With polish, you want the control that the 6" pad gives....But with wax, you just want to apply the product, and the 8" pad is certainly good for that, and it gets the job done faster...If you need any more waxing pads, you may want to consider it.



Do you have to run into the hose each time you need to reload the pad, in order to remealt the product? Or, does it stay malleable enough for you with just one microwave mealtdown at the beginning?



And, thanks again.
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LOL!:D I'm glad I'm someone's here.



I've tried the liquid, adn it doesn't last as nearly long as the paste. I've had the past last, like I said earlier, as long as 10 to 14 weeks, but I should have been more thorough and pointed out that I've had it crap out after five weeks too. It's great spring through fall, but forget the winter in Michigan, especially with the damn road salt.



I haven't used Blitz, so I can't compare the No. 26 to the Blitz, but your method doesn't really differ too much from my first method - you use a metal puttly knife ,and I've used asmall foam pad (actually, my first method I got from a Meguiar's video tape on detailing). My method number two I actually got a from Griot's Garage's Detailers Handbook that I downloaded from Here in PDF format.. I tried it, it worked fairly well, stays malable for about five to ten minutes, and then starts cooling off. Then I have to go back in the house to nuke the wax two more times, unless it's a nice hot July or August day, in which case I've got away with leaving the jar of No. 26 just outside the garage in the sun!!





I like your suggestion of using the 8" pads. I may just do that the next time.
 
I've tried the liquid, adn it doesn't last as nearly long as the paste. I've had the past last, like I said earlier, as long as 10 to 14 weeks, but I should have been more thorough and pointed out that I've had it crap out after five weeks too. It's great spring through fall, but forget the winter in Michigan, especially with the damn road salt.
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Len, now youve got me thinking again....14 wks or 5 with the same wax and same application techniques! Whew! Pretty hard to draw any conclusions with results as variable as that! The gurureports study over the 8 wk trial featured alot of snow in Wk 7, so when #26 came back stron at wk 8 with measuable beads, that pretty much convinced me...But, youre variable results have me guessing again...or second guessing.



Maybe, Id better try the Collinite Marquis DElegance, the outright winner in the endurance category....



:rolleyes:
 
paul e said:




Len, now youve got me thinking again....14 wks or 5 with the same wax and same application techniques! Whew! Pretty hard to draw any conclusions with results as variable as that! The gurureports study over the 8 wk trial featured alot of snow in Wk 7, so when #26 came back stron at wk 8 with measuable beads, that pretty much convinced me...But, youre variable results have me guessing again...or second guessing.



Maybe, Id better try the Collinite Marquis DElegance, the outright winner in the endurance category....



:rolleyes:
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There are a lot of things that can affect a waxes endurance. In my case, one if the big things is where the heck am I driving - I'm an industrial sales rep. If I spend weeks driving in and out of small to medium sized industrial parks, then waxes tend to last longer. If I'm in and out of the parking lots of coal-fired utility power plants, steel mills, and chemical plants, then the industrial fallout really gets to the No. 26 and it goes bye-bye.



That's primarily one of the reasons I used the No. 20 Polymer Sealant from Meguiar's was longevity, and to be honest, I'm waiting for a break in the weather (it's raining today) to try Zaino next.
 
I'm not bashing #26 or anything (i love the slickness and depth of this product)



but after 2 coats of liquid #26, a 2 day rainfall here in Manila resulted to the beads growing from approximately 2mm in diameter to like 1/4 of an inch in just 2 days...



it doesn't last 1 week in our weather/conditions... slickness is gone after 2 light washes or so...



the depth and gloss remains, but the beads don't....



that's how "nice" your weather/pollution is in the US compared to here...



I've just applied the 5th coat this morning... the weather has been dry (no rain) the past 3 days, let's see how this goes...



no way that any wax will last more than 2-3 weeks here...
 
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