Teflon paint protection.

I believe teflon is a big hoax in auto detailing. for a true teflon bond it requires extreme temperatures to properly bond.
 
TS is a big big joke.



What I fell for in the early 90s was an ad in the employment ads of my news paper.



The ad said they were looking for auto detailers and were paying $10 an hour (big money back in the early 90s)



I went to their office were another 20-30 who responded to the ad as well.



What it turned out to be was a high pressure sales pitch. If you didnt buy you were treated very badly.



I know of two people that fell for it and bought the system. I can tell you first had the TS system was crap let alone the Teflon scam.
 
Scottwax said:
Sorry, not gullible enough to fall for so called Teflon protection.





Why not, Scott? You don't want to bake your customers cars at 650 degrees so it will actually stick? :nixweiss
 
DavidB said:
Why not, Scott? You don't want to bake your customers cars at 650 degrees so it will actually stick? :nixweiss



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Dang! Why didn't I think of that? My customers would love me baking their car at 650 degrees.
 
Scottwax said:
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Dang! Why didn't I think of that? My customers would love me baking their car at 650 degrees.



Hmmm..it just might bond on a black car in the Texas sun after an hour lol..
 
sspeer said:
Hmmm..it just might bond on a black car in the Texas sun after an hour lol..



You ain't lyin'- you can actually give yourself a 1st or 2nd degree burn by holding your hand on a black car out in the sunlight. One guy I worked with actually beat me at this game.

I used to hand .50 cal barrels to other soldiers to carry (about 30lbs, I think) after I removed them from a hot gun, and I was barely able to stand the pain. It was usually part of initiation for newbies on the .50 cal range.
 
I'll give a bit of insite into fiber and teflon. yes it is not paint, but the similarities may become evident if i can explain it well enough.



Think of a chewed on pencil. This is a strand of fiber, now if you put a coat of paint on the pencil it will wrap the little divits on the pencil in paint. Will it adhere in some places but eventually it will flake off.





Now in the fiber industry it is adhered via flourcarbons, either water based or solvent based. Solvent based attaches far stronger than water based. yet the wear time in even a normal vac 2 times a week sofa, or carpet will last about 6 months at the best. Wear as a original manufactured fiber will retain original teflon protectant for up to about 5 years.



so you see, it is very similar to paint, sealants, and waxes. Each has their place. teflon happens to work best in fiber where there is 1000 times more surface are for it to attach too.



If this does not make a whole bunch of sense please forgive me I am a bit tired.
 
Grouse said:
I'll give a bit of insite into fiber and teflon. yes it is not paint, but the similarities may become evident if i can explain it well enough.



Think of a chewed on pencil. This is a strand of fiber, now if you put a coat of paint on the pencil it will wrap the little divits on the pencil in paint. Will it adhere in some places but eventually it will flake off.





Now in the fiber industry it is adhered via flourcarbons, either water based or solvent based. Solvent based attaches far stronger than water based. yet the wear time in even a normal vac 2 times a week sofa, or carpet will last about 6 months at the best. Wear as a original manufactured fiber will retain original teflon protectant for up to about 5 years.



so you see, it is very similar to paint, sealants, and waxes. Each has their place. teflon happens to work best in fiber where there is 1000 times more surface are for it to attach too.



If this does not make a whole bunch of sense please forgive me I am a bit tired.



Understood, so on to a similar topic, what is a good fabric protectant that I can sell to my customers?
 
beachy said:
Understood, so on to a similar topic, what is a good fabric protectant that I can sell to my customers?

I recomend for stuff you can order over the net.

http://www.bi-o-kleen.com/carpet.htm

bi-o-kleens trafic lane cleaner for protien based soil issues.

Bac-out for odor related issues and as a protien spotter.

POG as a paint oil grease spotter.

http://www.interlinksupply.com/index.html?item_num=CC48GL++++++++++++++

prochems ultrapac trafic lane cleaner

http://www.interlinksupply.com/index.html?item_num=CC59B+++++++++++++++

Powerburst

Slurries

http://www.interlinksupply.com/index.html?item_num=CC54C+++++++++++++++

Dryslurry

http://www.interlinksupply.com/index.html?item_num=CR36GL++++++++++++++

All fiber rinse

Protectant

http://www.interlinksupply.com/index.html?item_num=CP30GL++++++++++++++

four gaurd for carpets

http://www.interlinksupply.com/index.html?item_num=CP34GL++++++++++++++

Flourosil II for seats and headliners.

For cleaning seats and headliners

Fine fabric shampoo.

http://www.interlinksupply.com/index.html?item_num=CU73GL++++++++++++++





And if your a hard core woolite guy who is only looking for a defoamer

http://www.interlinksupply.com/index.html?item_num=CH47GL++++++++++++++

Foamless defoamer



there is one in that list, the four gaurd protectant is water based for carpet, the floursil is solvent for seats and headliner. You can't sell it to your customers, as it really is not applicable for them to apply. It needs to be applied after a good cleaning as the carpet dries.



It should be be applied by a sprizer bottle and wiped down with a towel or a carpet brush.
 
Cool-



I wasn't very clear- I plan to attempt to offer a fabric protectant to my clients in conjunction with shampooing and steaming, at an additional cost. I don't normally retail to my clients, unless I figure they are normally DIY'ers, and therefore may benefit from the price-shopping I have to do already. Of course, certain products will never be available for retail, such as those which are a difficult PITA to use, etc.
 
our cost when using four gaurd 6:1 per square foot is about 4 cents. it's about a buck per seating section for seats when using solvent. so the cost is not very much.
 
Actually, teflon is a very effective product that doesn't need to be "baked on". I have no experience with the spammer's product, but have a great deal of experience in the industry. Of course you don't see outerwear or rubberized plumbing parts that contain teflon getting baked in an oven.



This is because there are many different types of teflon. One type does get baked for non-stick pans. Other varieties include the type utilized in this type of product - suspended in a liquid emulsion.



Most of these products combine the PTFE with other modified polymers to create the bond and keep the teflon in adhered. I won't go into the exact science behind it, but don't knock it until you have tried a quality Telfon sealant for yourself.



And I thought the high pressure sales presentation was hilarious, it reminds me of a electrolux vacuum presentation I got roped into in a similar fashion back in my highschool years :lol
 
Carguy007 said:
Most of these products combine the PTFE with other modified polymers to create the bond and keep the teflon in adhered. I won't go into the exact science behind it, but don't knock it until you have tried a quality Telfon sealant for yourself.



Odd that your first post would be to resurrect a 4 year old thread.



Dupont themselves say Teflon is not a viable wax ingredient. If it was, don't you think Meguiars, Mothers, 3M and other huge names in the car care industry would be selling their own Teflon infused products?
 
Scottwax said:
Dupont themselves say Teflon is not a viable wax ingredient. If it was, don't you think Meguiars, Mothers, 3M and other huge names in the car care industry would be selling their own Teflon infused products?



They also do not like their trademarked Teflon name being used on products they don't support. Any automotive detailing product that uses the trademarked Teflon logo on their product is breaking the law, because it's not being used. Teflon does not exist in any automotive detailing application. If you ever come across a product advertising Teflon in their product, give Dupont a call and legal action will be taken.
 
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