Switched from Klasse to Zaino . . .

dmatre

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Well, this past weekend I finally did it. I was running low on Klasse AIO & SG, so I decided to give Zaino a try (after reading quite a bit about it here).



I purchased Z-AIO, Z-5Pro, Z-8 & Z-CS.



The method:

- Washed the car, then clayed with Griot's clay, lubed by their Speed Shine

- After that, polished the car with Meg's Deep Crystal #1 (all I had at the time) on Griot's Orange pad, wiped each panel after polishing with MF

- Applied Z-AIO using Griot's Red pad to entire car, wiped off using MF

- Applied Z-5Pro using the cotton applicator provided, waited 1 hour & wiped off with 100% cotton cloth

- Waited 18 hours & reapplied Z-5Pro using same method

- Waited 6 hours and applied Z-8, wiping off immediately with 100% cotton cloth

- All products applied by PC were done at speed=6



The observations:

- The Z-AIO seems to be a little thinner than the Klasse AIO, but it's just as easy to work in using the PC. Having to wait for it to dry was a little different, and to be honest, I prefer applying to a single panel, then wiping off (as with AIO). In this way you can spot any blems & touch up while you've still got the buffer out. That being said, the Z-AIO left the paint slick (not squeaky-clean like after the Deep Crystal #1), clean, and ready for the Z-5.

- The Z-5Pro applied easier (much smoother to wipe across the paint) than KSG. The KSG seems to be a little sticky, where the Z-5Pro is very 'lubricious' (if that's a word). Again, waiting for the product to dry is a little different (I normally use WOWO with the SG), but after drying, the wipe-off was almost effortless

- The Z-8 applied very easily, and wiped across the paint much smoother than the Sonus Acrylic Spritz that I used with the KSG. The Sonus, like the KSG, seemed almost tacky between the cloth and the paint. Any slight streaking left from the Z-5Pro was easily cleaned up by the Z-8 (I guess I wiped down one side of the car before it was COMPLETELY dried).



The results:

- I think that I need to get a finer polish than the Deep Crystal #1 (should've had it before starting, but . . . ); as the finish shows very fine, very short swirls. The Deep Crystal #1 removed almost all of the scratches & marring, but left very light, very fine marks behind. I'm certain that a quick pass with a finishing polish would clean that right up, and leave the paint perfect.

- I now understand what people mean when they say that the paint needs to be perfect before using Zaino . . . Upon inspecting the job outside, I immediately saw several slight blemishes in the paint (very small impressions/dents, and one place where Mercedes obviously buffed down a paint run in the factory) that were never visible before, whether using Klasse or Carnuba. I kept walking around the car and wondering why I'd never noticed those things before (it's almost 5 years old).

- The reflectance of the car is unlike anything that I've ever seen before. It's almost dazzling the way light and color reflects off of the paint. Reading a book in the reflection would be easy to do.

- The color (black) is almost muted or lost, due to the high reflectance. Your eye is so busy looking at the reflections that you can't really make out that the car is black. It's an 'odd' appearance, almost like the reflection is hovering above the paint.

- The Klasse definitely looked 'warmer', and you could see the black of the paint more more distinctly, although the reflectance was only about 3/4 that of the Zaino.

- The paint looks cleaner than it's ever looked before, and the car is certainly eye-catching, but I do miss some of the BLACK appearance that it had with the Klasse



I can't really say which products I prefer at this time. They both are relatively easy to use (after getting used to the Klasse products, applying THIN coats of the Z-products wasn't a problem), and they both leave the car looking great. The Klasse durability was impressive, as was the protection from bird-bombs, tree sap, etc. It's far to early to tell about the Zaino durability/protection, but from info here, it should be comparable, if not better.



I'm certain this thread will degenerate to a "Hooray for Zaino" versus a "Zaino is overrated" thread, but I just wanted to put out my impressions. Maybe they'll help someone to try a product (Zaino -OR- Klasse), as the information that I researched helped in my decision. It's hard to go wrong with either product. (Please note that I know there are even more products available, but I didn't try them, so I can't address them here)



Finally, I applied the Z-CS to the wife's silver Murano, but only as an 'emergency' measure, to get some more protection on it until Thanksgiving, when I have time to go over it completely. The Z-CS was easy to apply, and dried clear - but being silver it would be hard to see any streaking in it anyway. Hopefully it'll keep the paint in decent order for a couple of more weeks.
 
Great review, and you can't go wrong with any product you use.



Sounds like you applied the Zaino like a vet :) Hope you get the results you're looking for.
 
do you have any pictures of what the car looked like with klasse and now with zaino? could you see the difference in the pictures? i've never used zaino or klasse but i do have some sg coming in the mail. it's always fun tring new products, just when you think you've got it all figured out, pow you wonder how you lived with out it! that's one reason why i don't buy too much in bulk. how long did you use klasse, how much do you have left over??:cool:



good job:bigups
 
Nice review! Thanks for taking the time to write one. My experience mirrors your findings as well. Extremely clear finish with high amount of gloss. The initial finish is very good but it really tightens up and gets better as it cures...Z8 also adds quite a bit to the overall look.
 
So, having used both, which do you prefer KAIO or ZAIO? How would you rate them against each other?



I've been a Zaino user for years, but wanted to try KAIO recently. Not sure if the grass is greener on the other side or if I'm better off with what I've got.
 
I like both products, but prefer the application of the KAIO. It is wipe on wipe off rather than waiting. But ZAIO smells so good.
 
I've used both products and I prefer Zaino to Klasse, especially on black. A lot of people say that Zaino gives a plasticky look, but honestly, it is more like a 'wet glass' look, while Klasse SG definitely gives a Saran Wrap look to dark colors. Plus, Zaino is a lot easier to use.



Klasse and Zaino were the two most used boutique brands when I started posting on Autopia back in '01 (has it really been 6 freakin' years?!!!), and while Zaino has been reformulated (Z5 Pro is noticably deeper than the original Z5), Klasse remains unchanged. I think that Werkstatt products are what Klasse should have advanced to by now.



I do agree with your comments on how it looks on black paint, but honestly, that is very typical of sealants, which is why I still end up going back to carnauba on black paint. Not that Zaino looks bad on black (it actually looks pretty good) but it just looks different than carnaubas.
 
Hi guys!



Thanks for your feedback. I'll try to respond to your questions here:



3wide - No, unfortunately my photography skills are equivalent to my golf skills; so pictures would only include my feet, the driveway, and a little sky. I really don't know that film would capture what the eye sees. When I look at pictures of black cars with Z5Pro in Click & Brag, they all appear to be very black with great reflections. In person, the appearance (reflection/shimmer) is more 3-dimensional.



I agree that it's fun to try new things, thus the Zaino experience. I have to say that I'm not disappointed, but I'm not completely blown away either. As I get older (43 with 2 kids), simplicity, and ease-of-maintenance are becoming more important than the last measure of bling; so I'll probably stick with Z or Klasse due to their ease of top-up (with Sonus Acrylic Spritz or Z8). By regularly topping up, I only have to do serious work to the cars about once per year.



I've been using Klasse infrequently since the early '90s, and as my standard product for about 5 years now. I passed along the dregs of my bottles to my brother (sorry), so I've got none left. . .



wannafbody - I didn't do a ISO wipedown between polish & AIO. It may affect durability slightly, but I'll be topping up with Z8 after almost every wash, so this probably won't be an issue for me. I'm more concerned with max. protection rather than max. longevity.

I didn't have any issues with streaking/hazing, so at least that's a good sign.



simracer - I can't really compare KAIO against ZAIO, because I've used them under dissimilar circumstances. I've used KAIO for everything from removing bug guts from the nose of the car, baked on brake dust from wheels & road tar; to preparing for KSG. I've only used the ZAIO on a properly prepared (clayed & polished) surface. To be honest, the chemical smell of the KAIO leads me to believe that there are more/better solvents in it for cleaning; whereas the ZAIO may be more focused on prep for Z2/Z5. The KAIO really never let me down, and always cleaned up what I was trying to clean up. I haven't had the chance to attack any problem spots with ZAIO yet.



joshtpa - I agree, everything in the Zaino line smells better (but makes me hungry)



Scottwax - thanks for your comments . . . it's your work (and that of TropicallyDetailed) that I've spent a lot of time checking out in Click & Brag. (Plus, you tend to tell it like it is, and also use a variety of products - giving a chance for photographic comparison)



Now a question from me: As I still have some very fine swirls (probably left or induced by the Meg's Deep Crystal #1 polish), what is a good final polish/pad (for PC) to clean up these very, very fine swirls? Anybody?
 
Menzerna final polish will work. If you want to stay with Zaino, you can try ZPC. I liked ZPC alot, but for me, just not on the same level as Menzerna.
 
dmatre said:
To be honest, the chemical smell of the KAIO leads me to believe that there are more/better solvents in it for cleaning; whereas the ZAIO may be more focused on prep for Z2/Z5. The KAIO really never let me down, and always cleaned up what I was trying to clean up. I haven't had the chance to attack any problem spots with ZAIO yet.



I, too think that KAIO has a bit better cleaning than ZAIO, and I prefer the WOWO application of KAIO. ZAIO definitely has the edge in looks, though.
 
Bigpoppa3346 said:
I, too think that KAIO has a bit better cleaning than ZAIO, and I prefer the WOWO application of KAIO. ZAIO definitely has the edge in looks, though.



Are you using the current version or PRE VOC version of KAIO?
 
wannafbody said:
Are you using the current version or PRE VOC version of KAIO?



I've used both. The pre-VOC was definitely better, but even after reformulation (lighter color, lower viscosity) the KAIO worked pretty well.
 
Bigpoppa3346 said:
I, too think that KAIO has a bit better cleaning than ZAIO, and I prefer the WOWO application of KAIO. ZAIO definitely has the edge in looks, though.



THis is one of the things that I did not care for about ZAIO. I hated that it wasnt WOWO. But man oh man it smells good. To say that ZAIO has the edge in looks, is purely subjective.
 
wannafbody said:
IMO yes, ISO will remove oils prior to ZAIO. Some have posted about smearing issues when using ZAIO after some polishes.









Thanks for the reply. I actually had that problem with ZAIO after polishing with menz FP and couldnt figure out what was makin it smear. Thanks again!!
 
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