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adept

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I'm 17 years old and like to do detail jobs on the side of work (at target). I've got very few clients (mom, a couple neighbors I've done a few times, classmates). I'm looking more into becoming full time and quiting my job as a sales rep for target. How did you start out and where do you get your clients?



I also have a question of prices etc.



I currently charge:

$10 for a car wash

$20 for wash & wax

$30 for wash & wax, vac, tire dress up, plastic dress up, scratches removed

$100 for wash, paint cleaner, polish, wax, and all the other goodies (this takes me about 4 hours)

$120 for everyting above + clay bar (about 5 hours)



I am ordering a swirl remover product and will be fitting this in there some how, probably added to the $120 job. What do you think of my prices? Fair/too cheap/too expensive? I live in souther california.



Thanks
 
At your age and level, it's probably best to develop your skills by detailing your car, your friend's cars, and your family's cars. From there, you should be able to get some word-of-mouth advertising (assuming your work is good). Practice, practice, practice.



Another cheap way of advertising is to make some flyers (quality) and distribute them in target areas.



Make your car your rolling billboard. Keeping it spotless and shining can get you work, too.



Prices will vary greatly based on your location, your skill level, etc.
 
$100 for wash, paint cleaner, polish, wax, and all the other goodies (this takes me about 4 hours)



So thats 20.00 an hours.......less products, equipment, gas, telephone, rent. 20% for IRS, general liability insurance, workmans comp, business tax, etc



Yeah I would say that is way to cheap.



IMO
 
adept said:
I'm 17 years old and like to do detail jobs on the side of work (at target). I've got very few clients (mom, a couple neighbors I've done a few times, classmates). I'm looking more into becoming full time and quiting my job as a sales rep for target. How did you start out and where do you get your clients?



I also have a question of prices etc.



I currently charge:

$10 for a car wash

$20 for wash & wax

$30 for wash & wax, vac, tire dress up, plastic dress up, scratches removed

$100 for wash, paint cleaner, polish, wax, and all the other goodies (this takes me about 4 hours)

$120 for everyting above + clay bar (about 5 hours)



I am ordering a swirl remover product and will be fitting this in there some how, probably added to the $120 job. What do you think of my prices? Fair/too cheap/too expensive? I live in souther california.



Thanks



Funny, I'm 17 also - and launching my mobile detailing biz. The best advice I can give you is to perfect your skills, practice on every car you can get your hands on before going pro - and you're going to have to do interiors too man. When someone is our age, working as a pro. you've got to be able to prove yourself, so focus on quality of work, and soon people will forget all about your age. In fact, most people assume I'm 20+, simply because I own my own business, am knowledgable about detailing and strive for the highest quality of work.



But yeah, branching out to interiors (I know, no fun there, but there's more money, so it all works out) is going to be a must. Also learn how to detail engines without blowing anything up (I don't use running water for that reason - not that there's anything wrong with it, just personal preference).



Flyers are handy, though I just had 5000 4x6 postcards printed off of ebay. They serve as over-grown business cards, but they can hold enough information to be handed out as flyers - and they can be mailed for 23 cents a peice too! All in one.
 
adept said:
How did you start out and where do you get your clients?



I started my own mobile detailing business on a part-time basis in 1986. For years I had worked as a quality assurance manager for a local car wash manufacturing firm. During that time I came upon two realizations that helped launch my business.



First, I began to realize that there was a growing need for specialized automobile detailing services. Second, I also began to realize that I could earn extra income doing something that I really enjoyed. Since I had always kept my own vehicles cleaned and polished, it was only natural to start to offer the same service for other people.



When these thoughts started coming, I didn’t jump right into the detailing business. I got some much needed educated. I started with attending entrepreneur small business courses at Rutgers University in Camden, N.J., and followed that up with advertising and marketing seminars at Drexel University in Philadelphia.



One of the very first things I did after attending a few of these business courses was to write a business plan. I still write down everything. Every idea, every thought still gets documented. Actually the original mission of my business is still the same as I had written it back in 1986.



I really believe that professional detailers need to concentrate on business principles even more than they concentrate on detailing principles. I would say that 80 percent of the educational effort should be focused on learning more about what it takes to own and operate a successful and profitable business. The other 20 percent should be learning more about the actual process of detailing. I think the number one reason why so many detailing businesses fail is because the owners are too busy taking care of the technical side of the business. These guys may be good detailers, however, that does not necessarily make them good business owners.



My own detailing ability comes naturally from my father. My ability to do detailing was the result of my dad taking the time to teach me everything he knew about how to properly clean, polish and wax a vehicle. He always had a clean car and he always did all of the work himself. It was only natural for me to follow in his footsteps.



Professionalism is the key to operating a successful and profitable detailing business. Of course, customers expect to see good results; however, they are equally concerned with all of the things that you do that adds up to creating an overall good experience. For example, since I operate a mobile detailing business it is very important that I arrive on the job at the agreed time of the appointment. I also dress in clean, professional-looking, color-coordinated work cloths. Matching work hat with embroidered company name, etc. All of this makes a statement with the customer.



It's a good idea to constantly try to look at everything from the customer’s prospective. Always treat your customers the same way you like to be treated. Use only the finest professional products because that is what you would use on your own cars. Try to understand early on that good detailing customers are not always interested in getting the lowest price. They are much more interested in knowing they are receiving high-quality service and getting their money’s worth. Too often, detailing businesses fail because they are constantly trying to compete with other detailers and constantly lowering their prices. In the detailing business, that is simply a mistake. A low price may matter when you’re doing wholesale restoration work for a dealership; however, most retail customers care more about getting a high-quality job and they are not afraid to pay a much higher price for that kind of service.



As with most small businesses, I have experimented with a number of marketing avenues before finding what works for me; I my case, customer referrals are what worked the best. My customers just love telling their family and friends about my detailing service. They are constantly sending me new customer referrals. I have also found that just talking with people who own an expensive car often yields good results too. That is why I always carry a couple of business cards with me. You never know when someone is going to ask about your detailing services.



The main thing to becoming successful is to learn how to operate a business. You have to create a strategic plan that will help to identify the customer and why that customer needs the service you are offering. Remember, when it comes to detailing, it’s not about price. It’s more about offering a high-quality service. Finally, always remain focused on meeting the needs of your customer. If everything else fails just providing professional services and meeting the needs of your customer can make you a success.



In summary, too many detailers spend way too much time worrying about the competition and how everything relates to their own personal needs. Doing that is a sure recipe for failure. For a detailer to be successful they must remain focused on constantly giving the customer much more than they expect. They must remain focused on meeting and exceeding the needs of their customer. To be successful the customer must truly come first.
 
adept said:
How did you start out and where do you get your clients?



I started my own mobile detailing business on a part-time basis in 1986. For years I had worked as a quality assurance manager for a local car wash manufacturing firm. During that time I came upon two realizations that helped launch my business.



First, I began to realize that there was a growing need for specialized automobile detailing services. Second, I also began to realize that I could earn extra income doing something that I really enjoyed. Since I had always kept my own vehicles cleaned and polished, it was only natural to start to offer the same service for other people.



When these thoughts started coming, I didn’t jump right into the detailing business. I got some much needed education. I started by attending entrepreneur small business courses at Rutgers University in Camden, N.J., and followed that up with advertising and marketing seminars at Drexel University in Philadelphia.



One of the very first things I did after attending a few of these business courses was to write a business plan. I still write down everything. Every idea, every thought still gets documented. Actually the original mission of my business is still basically the same as I had written it back in 1986. Of course there have been changes to my business plan along the way. The first was getting involved in boat detailing. The next change was to develop and teach auto and boat detailing courses at adult evening schools throughout Southern New Jersey. I now currently offer instructional information about detailing, such as; Start Your Own Detailing Business Study Guides, Automobile & Boat Detailing Guides and Online Detailing Courses. These comprehensive plans all have their own niche. The Start Your Own Detailing Business Study Guides was developed to help interested clients start-up, own and operate their own detailing business. The Automobile & Boat Detailing Guides are do-it-yourself guides designed to offer the beginner detailer an opportunity to learn more about how to clean, polish and wax their own car or boat, just like a professional. Finally, the Online Detailing Courses, also for the beginner, allow students to complete their studies anytime, anywhere.



I really believe that professional detailers need to concentrate on business principles even more than they concentrate on detailing principles. I would say that 80 percent of the educational effort should be focused on learning more about what it takes to own and operate a successful and profitable business. The other 20 percent should be learning more about the actual process of detailing. I think the number one reason why so many detailing businesses fail is because the owners are too busy taking care of the technical side of the business. These guys may be good detailers, however, that does not necessarily make them good business owners.



My own detailing ability comes naturally from my father. My ability to do detailing was the result of my dad taking the time to teach me everything he knew about how to properly clean, polish and wax a vehicle. He always had a clean car and he always did all of the work himself. It was only natural for me to follow in his footsteps.



Professionalism is the key to operating a successful and profitable detailing business. Of course, customers expect to see good results; however, they are equally concerned with all of the things that you do that adds up to creating an overall good experience. For example, since I operate a mobile detailing business it is very important that I arrive on the job at the agreed time of the appointment. I also dress in clean, professional-looking, color-coordinated work clothes. Matching work hat with embroidered company name, etc. All of this makes a statement with the customer.



It's a good idea to constantly try to look at everything from the customer’s prospective. Always treat your customers the same way you like to be treated. Use only the finest professional products because that is what you would use on your own car. Try to understand early on that good detailing customers are not always interested in getting the lowest price. They are much more interested in knowing they are receiving high-quality service and getting their money’s worth. Too often, detailing businesses fail because they are constantly trying to compete with other detailers and constantly lowering their prices. In the detailing business, that is simply a mistake. A low price may matter when you’re doing wholesale restoration work for a dealership; however, most retail customers care more about getting a high-quality job and they are not afraid to pay a much higher price for that kind of personal service.



As with most small businesses, I have experimented with a number of marketing avenues before finding what works for me. In my case, customer referrals are what works the best. My customers just love telling their family and friends about my detailing service. They are constantly sending me new customer referrals. I have also found that just talking with people who own an expensive car often yields good results too. That is why I always carry a couple of business cards with me. You never know when someone is going to ask about your detailing services.



The main thing to becoming successful is to learn how to operate a business. You have to create a strategic plan that will help to identify the customer and why that customer needs the service you are offering. Remember, when it comes to detailing, it’s not about price, it's about offering a high-quality service. Finally, always remain focused on meeting the needs of your customer. If everything else fails just providing professional services and meeting the needs of your customer can make you a success.



In summary, too many detailers spend way too much time worrying about the competition and how everything relates to their own personal needs. Doing that is a sure recipe for failure. For a detailer to become successful they must remain focused on constantly giving the customer much more than they expect. They must remain focused on meeting and exceeding the needs of their customer. To be successful the customer must truly come first.
 
mirrorfinishman wrote "I really believe that professional detailers need to concentrate on business principles even more than they concentrate on detailing principles. I would say that 80 percent of the educational effort should be focused on learning more about what it takes to own and operate a successful and profitable business. The other 20 percent should be learning more about the actual process of detailing".



Pareto's Principle, I couldn’t agree more. It also wouldn’t hurt to read a few books on customer service, sales and marketing. Price is 3rd or 4th on the list when it comes to a purchasing decision or 1st if no value is perceived between services. If anyone doesn’t already know, Customer Service is at a all time low in America . How much value is in a mobile service? Mobile Detailing service should be 20% higher in price then the drive- in. Why ?, because of value to the customer. Have you ever called out someone to your home or office and didn’t receive a Service Charge? If not it was hidden in the invoice! I want to be known to clients and competition as, “the Detailer who is very good and high priced.
 
Ah, the old 80/20 rule. That's like 20% of my customers account for 80% of my income. And for those who don't believe it, just look around. You can basically apply the 80/20 rule to just about anything that's related to business.



And about being known to clients and competition as, 'the Detailer who is very good and high priced'. I actually go ahead and tell new clients right up front that my service may cost more than other detailers, but then again the personal attention to providing quality work and the overall experience of having me detail their vehicle will in most cases be far superior.
 
mirrorfinishman said:
Ah, the old 80/20 rule. That's like 20% of my customers account for 80% of my income. And for those who don't believe it, just look around. You can basically apply the 80/20 rule to just about anything that's related to business.



And about being known to clients and competition as, 'the Detailer who is very good and high priced'. I actually go ahead and tell new clients right up front that my service may cost more than other detailers, but then again the personal attention to providing quality work and the overall experience of having me detail their vehicle will in most cases be far superior.



I agree. I don't cater to, nor do I want, bargain hunters. I charge $150 for cars and $185 for SUV/trucks for full details, and that's if they're in good condition - more $$$ if it will take me longer (keep in mind I live in Missouri, everything's cheaper here than most places). I'm fully mobile also.



There are places around here that you can get to do a "full detail" for 70 or 80 bucks... But I've seen their quality. If a potential customer is shopping for a good bargain, I wouldn't hesitate to tell them that there are places around here that will do a full detail for that. But I do explain to them the difference between them and me, and I make it clear up front that I do a superbe job - the best in town - and I charge accordingly.



The way I see it, is they'll either take my word for it, and just go with me, and stick with me after seeing the quality of my work - or they will go for the cheap job, and then take the car to me to get it fixed. All the better for me.



Or, if they're happy with their swirled up el cheapo detail job, then they probably don't really care enough about their car to be a long term customer for me, so no big loss anyway.



The point here is, I use the finest quality detailing products, the finest techniques, I go over every detail, and then charge what it takes. Unlike the other places, which put price first over quality in worksmanship, or in products.
 
"The other 20 percent should be learning more about the actual process of detailing".



This is why I roam the professional detailers foram and not the others. I’m constantly looking for new sales, marketing and general business information. Not that product information is ignored, but the former is what makes a business. Quick story to make the point. In my previous occupation I had a complaint about one of my best technicians from a very large customer. After investigating this issue it became apparent the technical ability was not the problem. The customer wanted someone who would communicate better with his warehouse manager. My best tech was not a communication guy, but a fix it and go to the next job guy. What did I do? I replaced him with a tech that was half as knowledgeable but was very gregarious. Turned out they loved the gregarious tech and purchased three times as much from me even though he did half as good a job. Moral of the story? Rapport goes along way with the customer. On a different foram someone asked, who is your best customer? The replies were varied but not one said, the person who I have the best rapport with. Rapport is the backbone of customer service and sales.
 
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