Spray wax/sealants, wipe on, walk away sealants?

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CharlesW

The Rainmaker
My question is about how to use these products, not whether or not they are the best products to use.
What would be your reason for using a spray wax/sealant rather than a WOWA sealant?
For instance, why use Optimum Car Wax, (A spray wax), when Opti-Seal, (A WOWA sealant), is so quick and easy?
It seems like the Opti-Seal would be as fast or faster and certainly is as easy to apply.
Is it a cost consideration?

I used Optimum for the example, but it seems the same thing would be true for Zaino or Ultima WOWA, spray sealants.
 
The only time I could see using it is if you were trying to get some sealant into a tight area like door jambs and such, where it maybe hard to get an applicator in there...
 
I think method of application is just one factor in the purchasing decision. People can take into account cost, ease of use, looks, durability, slickness and other factors when making a product purchase. You also have to take into account the comfort level of the user for a certain application method.

Wipe on, walk away sealants are still very new to the detailing landscape. Not everyone is ready to try this new idea. The whole concept still sounds a bit foreign when I try to explain it to customers. People are creatures of habit and tend to stick with what they know.

I think it is the how that just gets people right now. It just takes some getting used to.
 
I've never tried any of the WOWA sealants, but I enjoy using OCW. My reasoning is:

I tend to spend more time polishing cars now that I know what I'm doing and it actually takes me longer because I'm incuding extra polishing. The major advantage of OCW is that I can use Poliseal as my final polish and then leaving the PS residue on the car, I spray OCW and wipe it off and the car is waxed! That saves me from having to go around the car removing the poliseal residue...AND THEN going BACK around the car again with wax, and then AGAIN to remove the wax. That's where most all the benefit comes in to OCW for me.

When I wash a car, I like OCW because if it doesn't give me fits if some water drips out from the headlight or some trim (dont you hate that!) and mixes in with it. I dont know if the same is true with the WOWA sealants as I've never tried one. OCW will also go over a wax or sealant with no issues. It's been consistant across the board every time I've applied it.
 
Scott P said:
Wipe on, walk away sealants are still very new to the detailing landscape. Not everyone is ready to try this new idea. The whole concept still sounds a bit foreign when I try to explain it to customers. People are creatures of habit and tend to stick with what they know.
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That is so true.
It took me some time to accept that the WOWA product does work. Even now, I don't use it as my only LSP although it probably would be all I would need. In my mind, the application, let the product haze, remove the product still seems like it would/should do a better job.
Based on my experience with Opti-Seal, that isn't necessarily true.
A little off topic, (Hey, it's my thread :)), why is a spray wax considered to be less durable than regular liquid waxes? The only real difference is the method of application. There again, I lean towards the conventional apply, haze, remove process.
 
Way2SSlow said:
I've never tried any of the WOWA sealants
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You should. It might surprise you.
Way2SSlow said:
but I enjoy using OCW. My reasoning is:

I tend to spend more time polishing cars now that I know what I'm doing and it actually takes me longer because I'm incuding extra polishing. The major advantage of OCW is that I can use Poliseal as my final polish and then leaving the PS residue on the car, I spray OCW and wipe it off and the car is waxed! That saves me from having to go around the car removing the poliseal residue...AND THEN going BACK around the car again with wax, and then AGAIN to remove the wax. That's where most all the benefit comes in to OCW for me.

When I wash a car, I like OCW because if it doesn't give me fits if some water drips out from the headlight or some trim (dont you hate that!) and mixes in with it. I dont know if the same is true with the WOWA sealants as I've never tried one. OCW will also go over a wax or sealant with no issues. It's been consistant across the board every time I've applied it.
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A short time back, I used Dura Gloss Aqua Wax to remove the Pol-Seal residue and like you said, it works good and saves a step. Obviously, the Aqua Wax seems to play well with water. :)

But if you were to use Opti-Seal as your LSP, the same basic number of steps would be required. I don't personally feel comfortable with my main protection being a spray wax, yet I can accept the WOWA product being my protection. Go figure. :D
 
CharlesW said:
A little off topic, (Hey, it's my thread :)), why is a spray wax considered to be less durable than regular liquid waxes? The only real difference is the method of application. There again, I lean towards the conventional apply, haze, remove process.
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I'm not a chemist. Actually, it was my least favorite science subject. But, I imagine it has to do with the products used to make the product thin enough to be sprayed. Adding more of these chemicals probably reduces the amount of protective ingredients.
 
Isn't it WOWO?

Anyways the only spray on stuff that will get me some kind of protection is QW+ or QD+, but I have no sealant in spray... Used of course after a full detail after every wash or second wash to maintain!
 
Scott P said:
I imagine it has to do with the products used to make the product thin enough to be sprayed. Adding more of these chemicals probably reduces the amount of protective ingredients.
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That could be correct and it was a thought in my mind, but you can't get much thinner than Opti-Seal, Zaino CS, Ultima UPGP and they sure seem to have plenty of protection. Klasse AIO is another thin product that probably could be spray applied.
Is there actually a basis for the belief that spray waxes are less durable or is it another one of those "They say" things?
Also, are the liquid waxes thicker because they have more protective ingredients or is it (1) Because the public like the thicker consistency, (2) Because the thicker consistency doesn't run off the surface or be absorbed as much by the applicator?
 
OK I'm going to jump a bridge now. LMAO! Dang, only when I thought I had most acronyms figured out! Thanks Charles!
 
i use all three wowa products as well as aw and ocw. ocw and aw are just as quick to apply and never streak but the durability isn't the same as the wowa sealants. wowa sealants are durable but application is a little trickier because we want to over apply and they can streak.
i have found OS to be the least finicky and ultima to be the most durable. i like both of them.
OS on clean wheels works great! no more removing wheel wax for me.
 
Mindflux said:
Zaino improved their CS. How old is yours?
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I hope so, I bought some when it was first released and between the three WOWA sealants Z-CS impressed me the least.

(begin rant) The one thing that irks me about Zaino is the "improved" CS. It doesn't say anything on their website about being improved. Was there a secret e-mail chain notification of an improved version? Am I supposed to e-mail or call Sal once a month and ask if anything has been improved? I don't think it is too much to ask that they note on the website that the product has been improved and in what ways. (end rant)
 
I didn't care for Zaino's CS either. I used it last fall. It could very well be an old formula but with Zaino how would you know? Every time I read about them or pick up a product it says new and improved. I'm all for a company not resting on its success but they change formulas more often than Troy changes his underwear. :D OS was better but neither product made me want to change my old ways. I prefer the more traditional on and off method.
 
Eliot Ness said:
(begin rant) The one thing that irks me about Zaino is the "improved" CS. It doesn't say anything on their website about being improved. Was there a secret e-mail chain notification of an improved version? Am I supposed to e-mail or call Sal once a month and ask if anything has been improved? I don't think it is too much to ask that they note on the website that the product has been improved and in what ways. (end rant)
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+1 I agree. If they are going to do that, the bottles need to be marked with a version number and the website should have a chart that shows the versions and their respective dates. I think you should "know" what you are getting when you purchase a product. I applaud Z for trying to improve their products, as all manufacturers should, but they should inform their customers more. I'm sure they are trying to avoid the cost of people wanting to return their old version for the new.

This isn't to start an argument, so don't take it that way.

I love how when someone says that they liked another product better than Z, the Z fans automatically say "you must have the old version. It's improved now." Maybe people just like another product better. I won't get into a debate about this, so don't waste your time.
 
Eliot Ness said:
(begin rant) The one thing that irks me about Zaino is the "improved" CS. It doesn't say anything on their website about being improved. Was there a secret e-mail chain notification of an improved version? Am I supposed to e-mail or call Sal once a month and ask if anything has been improved? I don't think it is too much to ask that they note on the website that the product has been improved and in what ways. (end rant)
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Shrug. He tweaks all of his products at his discretion. I'm sure that Z2 and Z5 have had minors tweaks since they went to the "Pro" version already.

I guess it doesn't bother me because I never used the first edition that some folks didn't like.
 
GearHead_1 said:
I've used the Original Edition and Pro Edition. Still can't justify the expense. I've never been able to get the same 208 applications per bottle that some seem to be able to get.:D It's not a bad product.
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It's not for everyone. It's my goto product when I want to lay down some protection on a car though. I guess I've just gotten into the habit of grabbing for those bottles.

:rockon
 
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