Soo many choices for swirl reomval... wich to choose

[Chris Shades]

I am Intrested in removing swirl marks and some lite scratches from my car, its a 2006 charger and its bright red or torred for those who are familiar with that color. I had plans to get a pc7424 but what compound should a beginner be using? I was pointed in the direction of adams brand Swirl and haze remover, however I see package deals that are cheaper elsewhere like on autogeek with different brand swirl removers. I was actually thinking of going with chemical guys products. I like there prices and I see alot of people on the boards with good results using cm products. :help: Any info/tips are apreciated

 

[jaymz]

I buy from Rick at ADS. He mostly deals in Meguiars products, however.



Call him and ask him to put a 7424/pad/product package together for you and shoot you a price..



For a newbie, I'd try Lake Country pads: an orange, a white and a red (or a 6-pack deal that he sells...add a green polishing, black, and another white).



If your vehicle has only minor swirls, I'd try Megs Ultimate Compound and Swirl X as they are very easy to work with and cheap (I like #105 and #205 better, but #105 is a PITA to work with).



Go for it!



Jim

 

[Chris Shades]

I have tried the swirlx with multiple runs over the hood with another buffer and got only minimal results. A friend of mines also tried swirlx using the PC7424 on his black car with no results. I am still leaning twards the adams brand or chemical guys brand for now, however there are alot of people that agree adams and CM are the same product?

 

[jaymz]

I have tried the swirlx with multiple runs over the hood with another buffer and got only minimal results. A friend of mines also tried swirlx using the PC7424 on his black car with no results. I am still leaning twards the adams brand or chemical guys brand for now, however there are alot of people that agree adams and CM are the same product?

SwirlX is pretty mild stuff; the Ultimate compound is definitely more agressive.



But, maybe Megs #105 is the way to go. Definitely takes out swirls with a Porter Cable.



Jim

 

[Charlie Matco]

I have tried the swirlx with multiple runs over the hood with another buffer and got only minimal results. A friend of mines also tried swirlx using the PC7424 on his black car with no results. I am still leaning twards the adams brand or chemical guys brand for now, however there are alot of people that agree adams and CM are the same product?

a buddy of mine lives two blocks from the adams polishes warehouse. i have personally visited adams when my buddy was stocking up and i saw the drums of product come in. i can tell you without a doubt that adams has nothing to do with chemical guys. the rumor here in los angeles is that chemical guys makes nothing and get all of their chemicals from near by warner chemicals. it's all a big joke if ya ask me.



oh, yeah, i use sonus swirlbuster polish and love it.

 

[Chris Shades]

Thanks for the advice guys! I may try the ultimate compound, even if it does not work for my car I always like trying new polishes and end up having a use for them on different cars, since Im a private sales auto-broker I am always washing some little beater to sell.

 

[Accumulator]

Chris Shades- I'd find out what SuperBee364 uses on *his* Charger. "Ask the guy who knows", and in this case he's your guy.

 

[sriquixotic]

I tried megs #105 the newer version with a pc and an orange foam pad with pressure the first 2 passes then with just the pc's weight on the 2nd two passes with no results. Is it time to invest in some wool pads? I bought M105 cause I thought it was a great product from all the reviews, but with an orange pad and no results I must be doing something wrong. :sadpace:

 

[Envious Eric]

you did something wrong if you got zero results from 105!



I use 105 and a 5.5" lc orange pad via PC and speed 6 and ALWAYS get desired results...

 

[BigAl3]

I am still leaning towards the adams brand or chemical guys brand for now, however there are alot of people that agree adams and CM are the same product?

don't bother with Adam's, go with Chemical Guys. they are cheaper (most of Adam's products are Over-Priced), and have a better variety...

 

[Setec Astronomy]

...the rumor here in los angeles is that chemical guys makes nothing and get all of their chemicals from near by warner chemicals.

But Charlie, I thought it was pretty well established that CG's is owned by Warner Chemical, that CG is their "consumer distribution arm", so to speak.

 

[Accumulator]

I tried megs #105 the newer version with a pc and an orange foam pad...with no results...

What size pads? While others do OK with 5.5" ones, I always use 4" pads for correction via PC, even with M105.

 

[sriquixotic]

I used the 6" DA foam pads. How much pressure are you giving for the first pass and 2nd? I do have an orange/yellow foam 4" pad that I'll give a try, but 4" pad to do the whole car? ouch

 

[Accumulator]

I used the 6" DA foam pads...

Ah..that's it. Try the smaller pad.

How much pressure are you giving for the first pass and 2nd?

It didn't seem like a whole lot as I'm a little paranoid about applying a lot of pressure with 4" foam pads. But I really can't say how what I did would compare to what somebody else might do :nixweiss

I do have an orange/yellow foam 4" pad that I'll give a try, but 4" pad to do the whole car? ouch

Actually, it can go *faster* because at least the work is really getting done. Consider that I do my entire minivan with a 4" pad on the PC for the initial/aggressive correction (well, I did before I got the Flex, might use that next time).



Justy remember to clean out the pad as needed and *don't let the M105 dry out* or you might have real problems.

 

[sriquixotic]

Are you suggesting cleaning it with something then going right back to polishing with the same 4" pad? I only have one and would like to know, thanks.

 

[RaskyR1]

I watched Mike Phillips get good correction using the 7" 2.0 pads on the G110 with SwirlX, UC, and M105. This was done at the Car Care 101 class, held durring Detail Fest with 45 other people watching. Ask anyone there and they will agree that good correction can be achieved with 7" pads on the G110 when using proper technique...That's not to say that smaller pads won't work a little faster though.



If you are not getting correction with M105 on the G110/PC you need to step back and evaluate your technique. Look at your pad choice, amount of pressure, amount of product, size of the work area, arm speed, and work time.





Rasky

 

[Accumulator]

Are you suggesting cleaning it with something then going right back to polishing with the same 4" pad? I only have one and would like to know, thanks.

Yes, that's right. Clean it and resume work.



I generally clean my pads in mid-job with Meguiar's #34 and a cotton towel.



But I'd sure want to have more than one pad on hand because [stuff] happens.



Note that M105 is a little different from most such products as the abrasive doesn't diminish. I haven't worked with it enough to know just what the functional differences might be :nixweiss

Ask anyone there and they will agree that good correction can be achieved with 7" pads on the G110 when using proper technique...

I dunno just how different a G110 is from a PC, but I simply cannot get good results with large pads on a PC. My experiment on the Yukon's hood (PC/8006/M105) was utterly inneffective, but the same combo via Flex worked great.



I've been using a PC for nearly 20 years and I just can't get time-efficient correction with the large pads that others use. With 4" ones it works fine.

 

[sriquixotic]

I was using an orange pad with about 20lbs pressure with the PC going at a decent speed, not too fast and not too slow. I spread M105 over most of the pad, after the first rotation I gently let off to about 10lbs then on the final rotation just used the buffers weight. This was just one attempt without adding product and it didn't even put a dent in the swirls. I'm going to try the 4" yellow with M105 and see how well it works. Would you guys suggest following it with optimum polish and a less aggressive pad to clean up any aftermath of the M105 as that is all I have so far.

 

[Accumulator]

... I'm going to try the 4" yellow with M105 and see how well it works...

Be a *little* careful with the 4" yellow pad. Using PC/4" yellow/M105 I was able to do some serious correction on a car that I'd previously had to *really* hammer with the rotary (and a different product). That 4" pad *can* do damage if you overdo things even if it is "just a PC".

Would you guys suggest following it with optimum polish and a less aggressive pad to clean up any aftermath of the M105 as that is all I have so far.

If it's what you have then it's sure worth a try. I'm not a fan of OCP but others simply love it. Work it forever so it'll eventually break down and don't use too much (as in, hardly any at all).