Second Rotary Outting....(No 56K)

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kleraudio

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Ok everyone, I got a chance to mess around on the rotary again today! After all the tips you guys have given me, my head was spinning but I felt I had a good grasp on using this thing. I didnt even touch my practice door, straight to the fiance's Jeep Cherokee.....



I did a little bit of the roof to try some things out that Rydawg and SuperBee helped me with. I used a 5" Orange Danase LC CCS pad. I had the hardest time controlling these pads the first time out so I figured I should give it a go on a horizontal surface first.



Well Rydawg, I soaked my pad in water before using it and gave it a spin dry on the PC. Man oh man did that ever help!! Thanks so much for that tip! I ended using such a small amount of polish this time around, I think that the SIP I have is gonna last a LONG time!



So now that my pad was *properly* seasoned, I tried to control the damn thing while maneuvering it. This is where SuperBees tip came in handy! I was running the Makita at 1500 RPM's. I used the floor buffer technique and raised the pad *slightly* in the front to move in one direction, and raised it *slightly* in the back to go the other. It really doesnt take much tilting of the pad to get it going. I was controlling that thing so nicely thanks to those two tips!!



I forever owe you guys for those tips man, dont know where I would be without everyones support. I would have never thought of soaking the pad, or tilting it ever so slightly, or only using 4 little drops to prime the pad......



So then I decided to get bold and try doing some vertical panels.... Now this is a different ball game altogether man! I was back at my old ways of having a hard time controlling the machine on my first few panels. After 2 panels, I started feeling a *little* more comfortable but really not all that great.



Any tips on doing vertical panels would be awesome!



So anyways, heres some pictures guys, hope you like them! Thanks again *Everyone* for all your support and tips and tricks. Without them Id still be sore from fighting that machine!



I used LC orange (5" Danase CCS) and SIP for todays project...





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Heres a couple of shots of the first vertical panel I did: (no before on this one, too excited and I forgot :D)



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Before/After of a passenger door:



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Another before/after of a passenger door:



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Anyways not too many pictures, I got *most* of the marring out, I just didnt have time to really mess with it today, just a little practice.



Again, if anyone has any tips on using a rotary on vertical panels, Im all ears!



I hope you enjoy!



Jim
 
I used the LC 5" backing plate. Yea there was ZERO room for error, but I kind of like it that way. Its how I used my PC too. And it makes for really easy centering! :LOLOL



Im going to try it with 6.5" LC pads on Monday hopefully. See which I like better. Right now I really do not like my Edge foam pads. They have only been used with Menzerna thus far, and they really are not compatible. I have to give them a go with the Optimum line and see what happens.



Closed cell foam is much better than the Durafoam that Edge offers IMO. The product stays on the surface of the pad with LC and seeps into the Edge pads, requiring *much* more product to prime, and much more product to keep the pad going. I dont know, right now LC gets the thumbs up on foam.



My Edge wool should be here shortly, I cant wait to try those out! :clap:



Jim
 
Working side panels of the vehicle certainly give you a little more of a workout as you'll need to support the machine with your arms. I use my right hand that is on the handle to control and guide the machine and the bail handle for simply assisting the back and forth/up and down motion of the machine. I don't apply much pressure at all on side panels as opposed to having the weight of the machine on top panels. I keep it flat and ease up on the pressure if you feel it hopping or taking off on you. At times I can take my left hand off the machine momentarily on top panels as I'm working a section. That is not an option on side panels.



It takes a little while to feel comfortable with side panels at first but it's the same as top panels - just with a little less down pressure on the paint. Circular machines seem significantly heavier than a PC after multiple stages of buffing an SUV ("Popeye arms", anyone?) but you WILL get used to it.



Have fun, Jim.
 
Thanks for the reply Paul!



I noticed myself getting used to it after a few side panels. Still it wanted to take off on me sometimes, I just unlocked the trigger and pulled it off the paint and started over. Better for me to do that at this stage in the game than try to straighten it out and burn something in the process.



Overall Im starting to feel *alot* more comfortable with the machine. I feel alot safer when everything dangerous is taped off too. I hit a couple edges that woulda been smoked out had I not taped them...



As for controlling the rotary on the side panels, I noticed myself assisting with my trigger hand and controlling and guiding with the hand that holds the bail. Thanks for the tip Paul I will try that out next time. It just seemed easier for me to move the machine with the bail hand and guide with the trigger hand, maybe thats why I didnt stay flat the whole time??



Regardless, I love the speed at which this machine corrects and the lack of vibration it has. I havent noticed any hologramming either so it seems as though the PC will start to collect lots and lots of dust once I get good with this thing!



Jim
 
Yes i have to see this, Jim with Popeye arms! That was great Puckman!:up Jim your work on the Jeep looks very wet!
 
Ha, that would be pretty funny, who needs the gym anymore? The Makita and a swirled up car is sufficient enough!



Jim
 
audio, best tip I can give you on side panels is what helps me....



I try to forget that I even have a right hand and that I'm actually supporting the machine... I use my right hand to hold the handle and hold the FULL weight of the machine up... one I forget about my right hand and the weight of machine, I use my left hand, in any grasp that's most comfortable, to just lightly push the machine left, right, up, down...



Some people use the same "floor buffer" technique on the side panels, but I find it easier this way since I only have to push it left right with one hand, instead of supporting the machine at the handle AND tilting up/down to make it go in a certain direction...



hope that helps
 
Thanks for the reply Ivan, thats pretty much exactly how I was operating it. I still let it get away from me a few times, but I'm sure I will get better with practice.



Jim
 
When you feel it trying to get away from you simply lift it immediatley off the panel (as you said you did). The getting away feeling is a result of the machine and the arms exerting too much pressure on that part of the spinning surface. This "too much pressure" may not be that much pressure - just enough to give the torque of these things a grab area.



Also, be careful not to dry buff with it either. I don't think you'd let that happen after seeing how comfortably you handled mine along with your experience with your favorite polishes but remember that circulars can break down polish product quickly with certain products/paint/environmental conditions.



Finally, I like to brush out my pads much more often than with my PC. Even my Optimum polishes will build up pretty good as I'm going along a vehicle. Check your pads often and clean 'em out or change to a fresh one completely.



I'm feeling the excitement with you on this thing, man. Fun, isn't it? Nice work on the fiance's Jeep.
 
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