Rupes LHR21ES vs Meguiars G110V2

mikemurphy234

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There have been a lot of questions and comments across multiple forums and Facebook regarding the Rupes Bigfoot Polisher so I decided to do a comparison test that would show how capable this machine is verses a standard DA.





For the comparison I used a Jeep hood with medium to hard paint, Meg's microfiber cutting pads, Meg's D300 & M101 compounds and the world famous Kevin Brown Method. I decided to use this combo to keep the testing between the two machines as equal as I could and so I didn't have to account for to many variables, ie. pad deflection, porosity, etc...





Knowing how well a DA using the KBM would polish out sanding scratches, I decided to raise the stakes and use a 3M Scotch-Brite medium cut pad to scuff up the hood.





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The area was divided In half, approximately 20" by 20".



The contenders....Bigfoot 21 on the left. G110v2 on the right.





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Meg's compounds....Little brother and his MMA Heavyweight champ big brother.





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Both pads were primed with D300 and a light pass was made on another part of the hood to "spread" the compound as equally as possible then D300 & M101 were added. 5 IPA wipedowns were done after each pass and before each picture was taken. The pads were also cleaned between each pass with compressed air.





First up was the G110V2. Speed was set to 5. Medium to medium-heavy pressure was used along with slow passes while still allowing for good backing plate rotation.





Primed and ready to go.





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After 1st pass.





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After 2nd pass.





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After 3rd pass.





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After 4th pass.





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In the 4th pass picture you can see pigtailing caused by paint accumulated in the pad. Now, I was really pushing this machine to get the most cut possible with this combination. I think this shows just how much the abraded paint can affect the finish. :clap2:





The 5th and final pass.





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I used a stopwatch to time only when the machine was running and the accumulated time for all 5 passes was 13 minutes.





Next is the Rupes Bigfoot. Speed was also set to 5 but light to medium light pressure was used. The speed of the passes were the same as the G110V2. As far as backing plate rotation goes, the 21mm throw is so big that having plenty of rotation was never an issue!





Also primed and ready to go





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After 1st pass





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After 2nd pass





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3rd and final pass.





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The total time with the Rupes was a little over 7 minutes.



The final overall appearance of both sections were the same, although the pictures show a couple scratches in the last Rupes pic there were some left in the G110V2's area as well. Not only did the Bigfoot give me the same cut in nearly half the time, there is no comparison in the comfort level between the two. The Bigfoot is just so smooth and well balanced!



Hopefully this helps answer some of the questions you may have, but if you have anymore feel free to ask.



A special thanks goes out to Kevin Brown aka BuffDaddy.com for your tireless efforts educating us in the processes of paint finishing with the random orbital. Without you we'd probably still be spraying conditioners on pads and adding "3 pea size drops". LOL



Mike Murphy
 
C. Charles Hahn said:
Wow Mike, great comparison! Well done.



Thanks Charlie. I've got to make the time to get up there and see you some time. Plus I've got some questions about the last couple of generations of vettes for you.





bryansbestwax said:
+1. Glad I have the15 and 21 coming.



Thanks Bryan. Glad is an understatement in regards to the Rupes. :2thumbs:



Accumulator said:
mikemurphy234- Yeah, very well done, thanks for posting this!



Your welcome sir.





CEE DOG said:
Very nicely done Mike! Thank you



Thanks Corey.



IHA Mark said:
Great review, thanks a lot! It really puts the differences in stroke length in perspective.





Glad I could help.
 
Michael, LOVE the comparison.



Nothin' says "quickest E.T." like a good old' drag race.



I've got a lot of trust in your skill set and I know you dig this stuff as much as me... Excellent!
 
Wow, finally a legit comparison on a product. I've seen so many comparisons over the years on a ton of stuff, but too many compare Machine X with Product A and Machine Z with Product B.



Thanks for making me revert my savings. I might have to sell my Flex PE-14 that has pretty much just seen dust since I picked up MF Pads...oui.





I wonder how it compares to a rotary after 1 pass. From the looks of it, almost not worth testing, but now I'm curious.
 
Kevin Brown said:
Michael, LOVE the comparison.



Nothin' says "quickest E.T." like a good old' drag race.



I've got a lot of trust in your skill set and I know you dig this stuff as much as me... Excellent!





WOW! What do I say to a compliment like that? Thanks Kevin, it's very much appreciated! Can't wait to get back out there next year and catch up with you.



Quenga said:
Wow, finally a legit comparison on a product. I've seen so many comparisons over the years on a ton of stuff, but too many compare Machine X with Product A and Machine Z with Product B.



Thanks for making me revert my savings. I might have to sell my Flex PE-14 that has pretty much just seen dust since I picked up MF Pads...oui.





I wonder how it compares to a rotary after 1 pass. From the looks of it, almost not worth testing, but now I'm curious.





First off I'll let you know that I love my Makita and polishing paint with it but I also like to stay current. So when the microfiber pads came out I did some comparison testing against various pads on the rotary. What I found was the initial cut with wool was quicker so I thought it was a given that the rotary was still king even though the finish it left needed more passes to clean it up. So that got me thinking about overall time involved in detailing/polishing paint, not just scratch removal.



In my opinion, this is were the DA really shines. The need to tape every edge during heavy removal was virtually eliminated as well as taping many other areas because you could edge the DA. Compound removal from every gap was pretty much eliminated too. Now add to that the time savings of generally being able to get the same finish after heavy cutting with at least one less pass and the DA became my go to tool.



What I didn't like about the DA was the vibrations. My hands would be pretty numb after a few consecutive days of running it. The Rupes eliminated that for me. All it took was for me to run it for about 10 seconds to decide I wanted/needed it. Now add the overall time savings of a DA to the time saved using the Bigfoot and the increased comfort level and for me there's no comparison.



C. Charles Hahn said:
I would wager a bet that it's really close.



Agreed.



Barry Theal said:
I think a rotory will cut much faster, but the ? is how well would it finish.



Exactly Barry.
 
When I was in high school, back during the Carter Administration (talk about hard times!) I took a brick laying class. Why? Well the autoshop teacher left and bricklaying was the only other class you could take to goof off and leave school, plus I wanted my own garage built (we bought the blocks - school supplied labor), anyway, the old teacher always said that "anybody can lay brick, yo ol grandma could lay brick, but - what makes a bricklayer, is speed!" He was right, no one can make living unless they are good and can lay a sh!t load of bricks a day.

So - convert this to detailing, if you have a process, tools, products and facility that is new tech

and no physical issues, hells bells, you ought to make a good living - on volume alone if nothing else. From what ya'll are saying, I'm thinking this new buffer would be needed for any pro doing this to put $$ in the bank.

What about us weekend guys? Where detailing is our second job, and maybe we don't have the shop that would make Paul Dalton drool, well, like I just told someone looking at a hybrid car vs the regular model, do the math, how long would it take for the increased mpg to pay for the increased sticker amount?
 
Barry Theal said:
I think a rotory will cut much faster, but the ? is how well would it finish.



Yeah, I was wondering that too. My thought was what Mike said about needing follow up polishing to remove rotary haze, but the time saved on cutting should still make it king. I used my Flex last night and forgot how much I loved it. So much quieter, smoother and easier to deal with on a daily basis. My ears are still ringing and my hands are still tingling after polishing out a van last night with my GG DA.



mikemurphy234 said:
First off I'll let you know that I love my Makita and polishing paint with it but I also like to stay current. So when the microfiber pads came out I did some comparison testing against various pads on the rotary. What I found was the initial cut with wool was quicker so I thought it was a given that the rotary was still king even though the finish it left needed more passes to clean it up. So that got me thinking about overall time involved in detailing/polishing paint, not just scratch removal.



In my opinion, this is were the DA really shines. The need to tape every edge during heavy removal was virtually eliminated as well as taping many other areas because you could edge the DA. Compound removal from every gap was pretty much eliminated too. Now add to that the time savings of generally being able to get the same finish after heavy cutting with at least one less pass and the DA became my go to tool.



What I didn't like about the DA was the vibrations. My hands would be pretty numb after a few consecutive days of running it. The Rupes eliminated that for me. All it took was for me to run it for about 10 seconds to decide I wanted/needed it. Now add the overall time savings of a DA to the time saved using the Bigfoot and the increased comfort level and for me there's no comparison.



It's Thanksgiving week and I am very thankful for your comparisons. I started detailing with a PC when everyone was always bashing it for being such a time wasting tool. I started training with a HF Rotary and got the Flex for Christmas a year later. I spent a lot of time trying to speed up my details and knew I needed the Rotary to do it. Then came MF Pads and I set the rotary down.



Now, I might have to pick it back up, dust it off and put it up for sale. I hate using a DA from the noise and vibration (like I said, I'm still feeling the use of it from yesterday!). I wanted this tool before, now, as stated below, it looks like I'll need this tool.



JuneBug said:
When I was in high school, back during the Carter Administration (talk about hard times!) I took a brick laying class. Why? Well the autoshop teacher left and bricklaying was the only other class you could take to goof off and leave school, plus I wanted my own garage built (we bought the blocks - school supplied labor), anyway, the old teacher always said that "anybody can lay brick, yo ol grandma could lay brick, but - what makes a bricklayer, is speed!" He was right, no one can make living unless they are good and can lay a sh!t load of bricks a day.

So - convert this to detailing, if you have a process, tools, products and facility that is new tech

and no physical issues, hells bells, you ought to make a good living - on volume alone if nothing else. From what ya'll are saying, I'm thinking this new buffer would be needed for any pro doing this to put $$ in the bank.

What about us weekend guys? Where detailing is our second job, and maybe we don't have the shop that would make Paul Dalton drool, well, like I just told someone looking at a hybrid car vs the regular model, do the math, how long would it take for the increased mpg to pay for the increased sticker amount?



Great story, I'm gonna have to use that in my next business class. Detailing made me truly realize the emphasis that time is money. Rupes should give Mike a commission for everyone that buys one due to this comparison alone, lol.
 
"It's Thanksgiving week and I am very thankful for your comparisons. I started detailing with a PC when everyone was always bashing it for being such a time wasting tool. I started training with a HF Rotary and got the Flex for Christmas a year later. I spent a lot of time trying to speed up my details and knew I needed the Rotary to do it. Then came MF Pads and I set the rotary down.



Now, I might have to pick it back up, dust it off and put it up for sale. I hate using a DA from the noise and vibration (like I said, I'm still feeling the use of it from yesterday!). I wanted this tool before, now, as stated below, it looks like I'll need this tool."




The improvement you noticed switching from the HF rotary to the Flex, with the Flex having more power and speed control, is nothing compared to the difference you'll notice with the Rupes.





"Rupes should give Mike a commission for everyone that buys one due to this comparison alone, lol."



My conscience wouldn't let me keep it. I'd have to forward payment to Mr. Kevin Brown.
 
"So - convert this to detailing, if you have a process, tools, products and facility that is new tech

and no physical issues, hells bells, you ought to make a good living - on volume alone if nothing else. From what ya'll are saying, I'm thinking this new buffer would be needed for any pro doing this to put $$ in the bank.

What about us weekend guys? Where detailing is our second job, and maybe we don't have the shop that would make Paul Dalton drool"




I'm a weekend detailer too, fortunately I'm employed full time :dance. To me that's even more of a reason to save time without lowering quality. It allows you to schedule more work, or maybe do two weekends worth of work in one weekend giving you more free time or my favorite...getting done at a reasonable time on Sunday because 4:30 AM Monday morning comes way to fast.
 
And the older you get, the worse you feel after busting butt detailing all weekend long and Monday comes. The "real" job starts to feel like easy time.
 
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