Rinseless wash water on floor?

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CharlesW

The Rainmaker
After looking at some of the pictures of people using a rinseless wash, I have a few questions.
How much excess water do you end up with on the floor?
Some of the pictures look like the floor is almost dry when you finish with a vehicle. I seem to make more of a mess and have lots of water on the floor when I finish.
So....
1. Am I using more solution on the vehicle than necessary? If I start with a gallon of solution, I would estmate that about 1/2 of that gallon is still in the bucket, maybe a little less.

2. Am I using too large of a wash tool? I use a cotton chenille covered sponge about 5" x 9" x 1.5".

3. Is it normal to have quite a little water left on the floor?

4. Maybe I'm just messy. I do tend to be somewhat leery of not using enough to prevent marring so I do use a pretty wet wash solution applicator.

5. Maybe I'm just spoiled from using PB's S&W that leaves no mess whatsoever. The road salt has been so bad recently, that I hesitate to use just the S&W on the junk that's on the vehicles. Because of the cold temperatures. a quick pre-rinse at the DIY spray wash seems like a bad idea for door locks, door seals, and windows freezing. Hey, it's getting better. It's all the way up to 12 degrees today. Of course the additional 2 or 3 inches of snow didn't help much.

So far, I have only used QEW rinseless wash, but I do plan to try the DP 4 in 1 Rinseless in the near future.

Charles
 
I always end up with a ton of water on the floor. Im kinda paranoid and always soak the washing tool. I find that it drips everywhere.
I wouldnt worry about the water on the ground (unless it can freeze and cause a liablity issue).
 
When I used sheepskin mitts for the wash I made a mess on the floor. I needed to use more water with the sheepskin because if I rung out a little there wouldn't be enough lubrication, in my mind. I tried using a WW MF towel in place of the sheepskin with QEW and that did cut down on the mess. However, I did see some minor marring which I expect is from the dirt not having a place to go. As you may recall, I used a natural sea sponge a few weeks ago with QEW and made virtually no mess at all without hurting the surface. So I'm going to say the mess is directly related to the tools you are using.
 
I've got water. Of course I also use more water. I do a pre-soak on each panel, use a minimum of 2 gallons of water with 3 oz. of product (be it the DP, Optimum, or Protect-All product) and additionally spray each panel with S&W during my second wipe. To date, I've primarily used chenille covered sponges. I have also only used these products on my personal vehicles. And, going s-l-o-w-l-y have not induced any marring. At this time I'm not inclined to work these products into a regular rotation even on my personal vehicles, still preferring a traditional hose/bucket wash.

Still, they are great products where you want to limit the amount of water ie. door jambs. Should periods of water restriction, become more commonplace I may have to reconsider my current stance. :huh:

Edit to add: I also keep a second bucket with 3-4 gallons of rinse water which also has a single oz of rinseless wash product.
 
budman3 said:
When I used sheepskin mitts for the wash I made a mess on the floor. I needed to use more water with the sheepskin because if I rung out a little there wouldn't be enough lubrication, in my mind. I tried using a WW MF towel in place of the sheepskin with QEW and that did cut down on the mess. However, I did see some minor marring which I expect is from the dirt not having a place to go. As you may recall, I used a natural sea sponge a few weeks ago with QEW and made virtually no mess at all without hurting the surface. So I'm going to say the mess is directly related to the tools you are using.
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Not only do I remember it, I have a large Acme sea sponge ordered that is supposed to arrive this week. :)
It's even supposed to get into the 20's next week so maybe I can try it. Of course the several inches of snow we have on the ground will keep the streets pretty well slopped up so my wash job will last about a block. :wall

Charles
 
When I use rinseless washes, I usually only end up with large puddles of water around my tires. This is largely due to the fact that I have to dip into the wash solution twice (once to wash the tire and a second time to wash the wheels). Couple this with the washing of each fender and this translates to about 3 times as much puddling in these 4 small areas.

My rinseless wash process is as follows:

- Mix up two buckets of wash solution (1 ounce per gallon of water). One bucket is for rinsing. In my experience, using just plain water in the rinse bucket winds up diluting the solution in the main wash bucket.

- Add 1 ounce of S&W to each bucket for extra slickness.

- Mentally divide the vehicle into 6 sections (roof, left doors, right doors, front, rear, wheels/tires)

- Beginning with the roof, wash each section by first spraying a 1:3 Bug Squash solution for a pre-soak and then washing the section with a cotton chenille mitt. Dry each section with a plush and fast absorbing microfiber towel before moving to the next section.

- If the mitt begins to look very dirty, replace it with a fresh one.

- If the rinse solution begins to look very dirty, replace it with a fresh mix.

- When I finally get to the tires, I stop using the chenille mitt and switch to an Edge ShMitt (the black one). I had been using cotton towels and nylon bristle brushes for this task, but I made the switch to the ShMitt this winter and have been happy with the results. After washing, I dry this area with towels I designate as work towels. This task is too dirty to risk contaminating your "good towels".

- As a last step, I going over the entire vehicle again with a 3:1 spray mixture of S&W:S&G. This takes care of any missed spots or drips/runs and adds a little extra pop. Once again, I do one section at a time and dry with a plush and fast absorbing MF towel. I also use this spray to clean the door jambs.
 
awd330 said:
...Dry each section with a plush and fast absorbing microfiber towel before moving to the next section.
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I seem to recall reading somewhere (and sometime :confused: ) that you should leave just enough liquid on the surface to allow for a second pass. Do you try to follow that recommendation or not? I have tried, but am not always successful, thus I add a spray of S&W before the second pass with the towel.

I did forget to add that I also follow my "washes" with a final QD wipedown for the same reasons you mentioned.
 
Mr. Clean said:
I seem to recall reading somewhere (and sometime :confused: ) that you should leave just enough liquid on the surface to allow for a second pass. Do you try to follow that recommendation or not? I have tried, but am not always successful, thus I add a spray of S&W before the second pass with the towel.

I did forget to add that I also follow my "washes" with a final QD wipedown for the same reasons you mentioned.
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I wipe very lightly (little more than just the weight of the towel) with one section of the towel and then quickly flip to another fresher section for a final wipe.
 
I don't end up with too much water on the floor. I use my ShMitt which helps. The ShMitt does not drip anywhere near as much water after dipping it in the bucket as other wash tools do.
 
Rather than start a new thread, I thought I would just update this one.
Today was a typical Iowa February day. Started out at -3, but warmed up nicely. Actually got to 26 at one time.
So, at 23, I decided to fire up the kerosene heater and try out my new DP Four-in-One Rinseless Wash and my new Acme sea sponge.
With the garage at 50 degrees, the DP worked great. Removed the dirt, felt slick, didn't appear to leave any marring.
Whether it was the sea sponge or better technique on my part, I had very little water on the floor this time. I did use two buckets with a gallon of water and 1 oz. 4 in 1 in each based on the recommendation of Marj, (awd330).
My guess is that there is a learning curve to the use of rinseless washes just as there was with Poorboy's S&W. I definitely think I was using way more solution than was needed when I was having so much water on the floor. I used a total of 3 large MF towels on the Montana. One for the first wipe, one for the finish wipe to start with. When the finish MF became damp, it became my first wipe towel and I used a fresh one for the finish wipe. Because I did wait a little too long to switch to a dry MF, I did need to go over about 1/2 of the windows with glass cleaner and a WW MF because of streaking. Where I had been wiping the 4 in 1 dry, that wasn't necessary.
Anyway, at least one vehicle is clean. (Until we take it to a basketball game tonight.)

Charles
 
CharlesW said:
...try out my new DP Four-in-One Rinseless Wash and my new Acme sea sponge.
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Can you update us on the size sponge and source? I noticed that you mentioned that you had ordered a large sponge. Did you get the 10"-11" or 11"-12"? I'm assuming that you purchased the sponge they label as Natural Sea Wool Select Cut.

What are your initial impressions of the sponge? And for that matter the DP product. Haven't you used QEW before? Did you find the DP product compare favorably?

I contacted them after reading a recommendation by Spilchy only to be told that they sold only in wholesale quantities. I asked about local sources, but they noted that most retailers didn't carry the larger size sponges. I didn't proceed any further.
 
Mr. Clean said:
Can you update us on the size sponge and source? I noticed that you mentioned that you had ordered a large sponge. Did you get the 10"-11" or 11"-12"? I'm assuming that you purchased the sponge they label as Natural Sea Wool Select Cut.

What are your initial impressions of the sponge? And for that matter the DP product. Haven't you used QEW before? Did you find the DP product compare favorably?

I contacted them after reading a recommendation by Spilchy only to be told that they sold only in wholesale quantities. I asked about local sources, but they noted that most retailers didn't carry the larger size sponges. I didn't proceed any further.
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Sorry to leave so many loose ends, but I'm not much of a review type of person.:)
I purchased the 9-1/2" to 10-1/2" Acme Sea Wool Sponge from my local Ace Hardware store. They had to order it and it was actually a dollar or two less than the price on the Ace site. It arrived in about a week.
Ace - Acme Sea Wool Sponge
The sponge seemed to perform as advertised as did the DP Four-in-One. The DP seemed to have less drag than the QEW, but that might have been because of the sea sponge. I have alway used a cotton chenille covered sponge with the QEW.
I do think I have a slight preference for the DP because of the slick feel when using it. When making the final pass with a MF towel, it felt almost as slick as using a QD.
Still not a review, but if you have questions, just ask.

Charles
 
Charles how would you compare the DP to S&W. Would you say that the DP would be less likely to scratch while removing road film
I have S&W and FC&S but have not used the DP would like your opinion on how they compare.
 
could someone inform me a little on the rinseless wash method I've never heard of it and I am interested in the process, and where to find it.
 
black bart said:
Charles how would you compare the DP to S&W. Would you say that the DP would be less likely to scratch while removing road film
I have S&W and FC&S but have not used the DP would like your opinion on how they compare.
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Apples and Oranges. :)
Since S&W is a waterless wash, you need to be sure to use enough to encapsulate the dirt to prevent marring when you wipe the surface. With the DP Four-in-One, you do the same thing, but at a much lesser cost.
With S&W, all the product you use is S&W.
With the DP 4 in 1, only 1 oz. of the gallon is actual product. The rest is water.

If the vehicle is only moderately dirty or I can take it to the DIY spray wash to take the heavy accumulation off, S&W would definitely be my choice. When the temperature is around 20, it's difficult to do the DIY thing because of the ice buildup at the facility. It has only one door and the floor and walls actually get an inch or so of ice on them.

When the vehicle is what I consider to be too dirty for the S&W, I think the 4 in 1 would be my choice.

As far as the end result, at this time I don't seem to have much if any marring from either product.

IMO, S&W is faster, easier, and much less messy. I usually only use two MF towels to do the van with S&W. It took three to do the 4 in 1. S&W will still be my choice for anything other than a very dirty vehicle.

Charles
 
Southerndetail:
The following pretty much describes what I did today other than my using the sea sponge for washing rather than a MF towel or sheepskin mitt. On the advice of awd330, I also added 1 oz. of 4 in 1 to the rinse water so as not to dilute the wash water solution. I'm not sure that was necessary with the sea sponge and I will probably not do that next time.
DP (PBMA) said:
Rinseless Wash
This is not your average quick & easy wash! DP Four-In-One is packed with lubricants that wrap around dirt and grit to elevate it just above the paint surface. Specialized polymers grab dirt and trap it within the slippery solution of lubricants and water. As you wipe the wet surface with a microfiber towel, the dirt will stick to the towel, not the paint. Upon drying the surface, it will feel super slick and have an incredible gloss. In fact, DP Four-In-One offers more surface protection, slickness, and shine than any other quick wash or rinseless wash on the market!

Dilute 1 ounce of DP Four-In-One Rinseless Wash & Shine in one gallon of water. Soak a microfiber towel or sheepskin mitt (any paint-safe wash tool will work) in the mixture and wash the vehicle one section at a time. Re-wet the towel or mitt as needed. Note: Use the two-bucket method to further protect your vehicle from wash-induced swirls. Rinse the wash tool in a bucket of clean water before re-wetting it in the wash bucket. Dry each section with a second clean microfiber towel.
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I purchased my DP Four-in-One Rinseless Wash from Troy at the Detail City Store.
DP Four-In-One Rinseless Wash & Shine 32 Ounce - DP Car Care Products

Charles
 
hybrid240zxt said:
^^^So the teacher becomes the student?:)

Waterless Car Wash Products - Car Care Products

http://www.detailcity.org/forums/detailing-general/6811-poorboys-spray-wipe-opinions-tips.html

http://www.detailcity.org/forums/detailing-product-discussion-misc/19912-waterless-car-wash-comparison.html

poorboysworld.net :: View topic - Spray & Wipe Usage

Just a couple of good links I found. The last one has a good before and after pic.
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Good information! :bigups
A new member that knows how to search and posts helpful links. :)
Glad to have you aboard.
May you "Live long and Prosper".

Charles
 
QEW, ONR, DP 4in1 are basically "Bucket" waterless washes that can be used Spray wise say for Claying.

PB S&W Is purely meant for Spray Usage and I find totally worth the premium as it is immensely versatile.
 
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