Rinseless vs Waterless?

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glen e

Retired Geezer
OK - been in my condo for a few months now and won 128 oz of waterless from Todd and using it about twice a month, then suds wash the other two times. But I have found a spigot that allows me to fill a bucket and have been using two soaked MF's and can wash the car.It comes out great. But I'm wondering about using rinseless for this - wil it l get it cleaner? Will I use less? I'm finding an ounce of waterless in 2 gallons does me fine but wondering if I can fine tune it a bit with rinseless....

I can sell a good chunk of the waterless to a friend so should I switch? Or is waterless used this way also about the best I can do?
 
I prefer the rinseless process in general. I believe it is far more forgiving on technique and mf etc and able to use on many moderately dirty cars.

If you add a hose or foam pre-rinse (ML Method), you get the best of both worlds (traditional vs rinseless).
 
my car has nothing more than water spots, in Florida, ever.... - and I agree that rinseless is better in procedure than waterless...I am asking if I can use BF waterless like rinseless...
 
glen e said:
my car has nothing more than water spots, in Florida, ever.... - and I agree that rinseless is better in procedure than waterless...I am asking if I can use BF waterless like rinseless...
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I believe there is a QD ratio around here somewhere. Not a true rinseless, but if its not to dirty, the QD should work. I personally only use the waterless more as a touch up/QD.
 
glen e said:
my car has nothing more than water spots, in Florida, ever.... - and I agree that rinseless is better in procedure than waterless...I am asking if I can use BF waterless like rinseless...
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Yes and no. The BF Wet Diamond Waterless Wash and BF Wet Diamond Rinseless Wash are two different products, with the only similarly being the type of polymers they use.

You could use Wet Diamond Waterless Wash as a rinseless wash if you needed, it should work (although Rinseless Wash would be a much better choice). I have never tested it as such, but I'm sure with a little experimenation you could find a dilution that would work.

If the question is which performs better, Wet Diamond Waterless Wash used as a Waterless Wash or Waterless Wash used a rinseless wash, I'm going to go with the former. Its designed to encapsulate dirt and then flash away. Over dilution with water could ruin the effect.
 
I'm gonna sell my waterless, keep some for the wheels... - have rinseless on the way...I'll use my ONR for now..thanks
 
If you like both methods think about getting some Ultima Waterless Wash concentrate. It can be used as a WW or RW and as a bonus can be used as clay lube.
 
glen e said:
I'm gonna sell my waterless, keep some for the wheels... - have rinseless on the way...I'll use my ONR for now..thanks
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Glen,

I would suggest keeping your stock of waterless and using it as a QD type product or drying aid if needed. Now that I have a waterless wash I don't think I would want to be without it. Even though I don't do waterless washes regularly.
 
Glen no need to sell the waterless. When used properly you will get a amazing scratch free finish. Remember to soak the panel. I made a mistake by using just a litte waterless but learned my lesson quick.

Here is my TSX http://www.autopiaforums.com/forums/detailing-product-reviews/40786-review-blackfire-wd.html

Last correction of any sort was back in early summer I think. Since then it's been washed with BF waterless, Ultima, or the new Pinnacle. If its dirty and heavy dust, I'll bring out the BF rinse less.
 
I have both here and prefer waterless for most all uses, that said in the dead of winter when the cars get a buildup of dirt I use the rinse-less or ORN.

Either one of these can be dangerous on the paint and cause marring if not used properly IMO
 
I dont' like the rinseless wash. I have the black diamond rinseless wash and did my car the other day and it put fine scratches all over. I had to go and repolish the whole car. I was not happy. I did it just like was described on the AG web site. I would not use it again. ITs the touchless car wash for me during the winter, at least that doesn't scratch my car.
 
glen e said:
Todd-please chime in....how can a liquid scratch a car?....no rocks in the rinseless, right?
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The liquid did not do it. It was either the poor quality or dirty microfiber and/or trapped dirt in the microfiber combined with poor technique like pressing down to hard when wiping.
 
i prefer to use waterless wash as a drying aid and my rinseless how it was designed to be used. this weekend i purchased a pump pressure sprayer and filled it with onr water mix. pre-soaked my moderately dirty truck, washed with onr and microfiber, then dried it with waffle weave with the waterless sprayed on before drying. came out looking like it was done with soap and water.
 
68bowtie said:
I dont' like the rinseless wash. I have the black diamond rinseless wash and did my car the other day and it put fine scratches all over. I had to go and repolish the whole car. I was not happy. I did it just like was described on the AG web site. I would not use it again. ITs the touchless car wash for me during the winter, at least that doesn't scratch my car.
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What was your procedure? And what was your wash media?
 
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