response to layering AJ I received

I

imported_flatstick

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I have been following the AJ posts we have had recently and could not find

an answer to the topic of time suggested between layering AJ.after e-mailing

Jeff's Werkstat directly here is their reply below.figured I would share this

with anybody who had similar questions.guess my only question I have now

for the AJ experts is what is a realistic expectation on durability for a car done

for a customer who will not be taking care of it Autopian style ? I realize

this is very subjective so I keep in mind that I live in the Northeast . sorry

for the long quote but I found it informative for us AJ wannabees :bow



" In regards to wait times between coats of Acrylic Jett, in typical

conditions it is fine to apply a 2nd coat right after the first. In

general, by the time you've worked your way around the vehicle with the

first coat, when you get back to where you began, sufficient time has

elapsed to begin the 2nd coat. Since Acrylic Jett is purely water based and

contains no solvents, cleaning agents, or polishing powders, it is very

gentle on the preceding coats. Obviously, giving it more time between coats

is perfectly ok, too! It just isn't critical to the end results.

If you ever plan to top the A.Jett with another product, like a paste wax or

something, then you should let the A.Jett cure for 24-48 hours preferably.

We highly recommend a wipe-on/wipe-off style of application... akin to our

sprayable directions. For Acrylic Jett, we do not recommend letting it sit

for 30 minutes and there is no particular advantage gained in doing so.

Prime can haze for a longer 30 minute time period because its light

polishing capabilities aid in the buffing of a smooth final coat. Since

A.Jett does not have these, it can become difficult to level any high spots

if it sits too long. (If this does happen however, a bit of Acrylic Glos

will take care of it.) If you do apply in the more traditional method, work

on only one panel at a time using very thin coats and buff it off before

moving to the next panel. Again, there is no particular advantage applying

this way... simply personal preference. "
 
[quote name='4830Deuce']Nice info thanks Flatstick!



-Justin,



You are very welcome. Between you and Scottwax I had to grab some of this stuff to test it out. figured since I had no concrete info on layering I figured I would go right to the source :idea . was hoping that this info would help out my fellow Autopians. ;)
 
2nd the kudos on sharing the info. It's nice to see that AJ is entirely water-based. I'm thinking you could mix up a homemade version of Acrylic Glanz just by taking some distilled water and adding some AJ.
 
flatstick said:
You are very welcome. Between you and Scottwax I had to grab some of this stuff to test it out. figured since I had no concrete info on layering I figured I would go right to the source :idea . was hoping that this info would help out my fellow Autopians. ;)
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Im glad to see my word means something around here :grinno: ... Even tho it was probably more scott then me..haha...



And yes I really do think acrylic glos is just watered down AJ w/ some blue coloring mixed in... :dance



-Justin
 
This is the info he sent me



Hi Ric,



Thank you for contacting JEFFS Werkstatt. (Geared towards a CJett question.)



C.Jett is designed to be fully compatible with both Prime and A.Jett. We generally recommend using at least Prime as an undercoat to ensure that the surface is clean and prepped since C.Jett is purely a protective product with no cleaners or prep agents in itself.



C.Jett can certainly be used over one or more coats of A.Jett as well, and this will add to the protection afforded the paint and arguably will add to the "look" of the detail. While A.Jett can be layered without much wait time between coats, we recommend waiting a few hours after the final coat before applying C.Jett. (A longer 12-24 hours is even better if you have the time, but this is usually overkill anyway.)



Also, if you want to put multiple coats of C.Jett, you can do so with minimal waiting. Since C.Jett does not use petroleum solvents to soften the wax, it solidifies into a hard coating faster than waxes you must let haze. As well, all carnauba waxes, by their very nature, do not chemically cure like synthetic sealants. Once any water or solvent carriers are gone and the wax has been buffed smooth, it is as hard and solid as it is going to be, no matter how much more time is given.



We also have your new order here. Thank you. This will ship today.



Happy Detailing,

JEFFS Customer Service
 
That is the great thing about Acrylic Jett-if you are into the layering thing, no wait times!



Jeff is definitely right about Carnauba Jett, it gets hard pretty quick so you should only work a panel at a time.



Just FYI, both CJ and AJ work best if as you apply the product, you continue to work it until it is nearly clear before buffing off. Only takes a couple passes with a foam hand pad provided you applied a thin layer.



Honestly, I've only layered the beta version, aka Shokar. Tomorrow I have a silver Porsche 911 that I applied Prime and AJ to in early December. He wants it detailed again and since I highly doubt it needs any polishing, I'll just apply a couple layers of AJ. I'm really interested in seeing if there is a visual improvement in appearance with multiple layers of AJ.
 
Little OT here, but since all the Werkstatt pros are present.



Has anyone used Z8 or Menzerna HGAS over AJ? What about either one over CJ?



Scott, Please let us know how the single app of AJ/Shokar is holding up on the Porsche.



Thanks!
 
Is AJ basically another Klasse SG? I use AIO and then top with SG. I have ordered and received AJ thinking I would experiment with it and compare it to SG. The problem with SG is that you need to wait 24-48 hours between coats (I usually put on three coats). It appears that if you can apply AJ over the AIO, you do not have to wait as long. Am right on these counts?
 
atticdog said:
what about acrylic spritz and acrylic glanz over AJ?

i would imagine it would be fine
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I wouldn't expect any problems using the above over AJ since all are acrylic based.
 
shortspark said:
Is AJ basically another Klasse SG? I use AIO and then top with SG. I have ordered and received AJ thinking I would experiment with it and compare it to SG. The problem with SG is that you need to wait 24-48 hours between coats (I usually put on three coats). It appears that if you can apply AJ over the AIO, you do not have to wait as long. Am right on these counts?
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Acrylic Jett is Carlack 68 with nanotechnology. Similar to Klasse but much newer chemistry. Apparently there is no waiting required to layer.
 
[quote name='4830Deuce']Im glad to see my word means something around here :grinno: ... Even tho it was probably more scott then me..haha...



And yes I really do think acrylic glos is just watered down AJ w/ some blue coloring mixed in... :dance



-Justin

You have been a strong supporter of AJ and I feel you have helped Scott spread the word. maybe this is the start of your own cult :LOLOL
 
[quote name='Scottwax']That is the great thing about Acrylic Jett-if you are into the layering thing, no wait times!

Honestly, I've only layered the beta version, aka Shokar. Tomorrow I have a silver Porsche 911 that I applied Prime and AJ to in early December. He wants it detailed again and since I highly doubt it needs any polishing, I'll just apply a couple layers of AJ. I'm really interested in seeing if there is a visual improvement in appearance with multiple layers of AJ.





Let us know how you make out on the Porsche will be waiting to see your take on it. also will be looking forward to your opinion on the durability of AJ as you go back to your previous details that you used it on.
 
atticdog said:
what about acrylic spritz and acrylic glanz over AJ?

i would imagine it would be fine
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No problem at all. I used acrylic spritz, acrylic glanz & also A Glos all ok.



If I'm free I also layering the AJ over acrylic spritz and acrylic glanz.



All seems ok.
 
Regarding Jeff's advice to wait 24-48 hours if one is to layer another product on top of AJ...I would think this wouldn't be necessary for waxes without cleaners such as Natty's Blue, P21S, Souveran, etc. But what do I know. Don't you guys think it would be okay to top AJ with Natty's Blue without waiting?
 
Oh ya, as Scottwax explains, I like to apply AJ with a foam applicator (by hand) until you really can't see the prodcut any more. Wipe on and off panel by panel...apply to one side of a panel and work to the other as you would with any wax, and then go over it once more. The wipe on wipe off method (like a QD) isn't bad either, just felt like I got better results the other way...and used a lot less product too.
 
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