Rant - Why doesn't PAC sell SurBufs or Flat Thin Pads????

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Lone Wolf

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Ive been using Stoners Invisible Glass with good results. I just ran out and was considering trying EO 20/20. How does it compare with Stoners??
 
I've used 20/20 since it came out and was quite happy but have recently switched to Stoners & Sprayway. I like them both better than 20/20, but that's just me.



Stoners make less mess than Sprayway but both work incredibly well with a MF towel.



I'm using Stoners with the Viper Glass Cleaning Cloth from CMA. The best window combo I've ever used.
 
Hmmm, I like hearing things like this. If any one has any feedback in detail about what they like or don't like about 20/20 or any comparisons, please post them. I keep track of all of this and mention it to the right people. Your words actually make it to ears of thse who care. I have no experience with the two mentioned, but I know the EO products well. As you have noticed I don't post to advertise our stuff, just to give help when needed and listen to what you true enthusiasts say. Thanks



Joe
 
I have a total of 9 glass cleaners on my shelves and none, so far, are heads and tails above the rest.



I was using Stoners and Einmann Fabrik Clear Vision the most

and changed to 20/20. I found it works just as well and is significantly less expensive.
 
I like Stoner's and Sprayway. Stoner's is perhaps a little better on automotive interior glass but it is close. I had some filmy substance on the glass in my new garage doors and the Sprayway did a better job than the Stoner's while using them both with a Viper Glass Cloth.

The big can of Sprayway cost me $2.75 while the Stoner's was $4.50.

And don't forget Brillianize for clear plastics like guages and lights.

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Does 20/20 [by design] leave behind some type of water-repelling film? A few users said something like this but I have not found anything on bottles of 20 / 20 that mentions this. Was I thinking of a different glass cleaner?
 
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<strong class='bbc'>Does 20/20 [by design] leave behind some type of water-repelling film? A few users said something like this but I have not found anything on bottles of 20 / 20 that mentions this. Was I thinking of a different glass cleaner? [/b]</blockquote>
I don't know if the water repelling effect is intentional, but I can tell you 20/20 definately does make the water bead up and roll off nearly as well as Rain X does without the nasty film. I've been using 20/20 in my detailing business since it came out and have found it is also excellent for removing the new car haze on the interior windows, too.

BTW, one of my customers mentioned to me that whenever it rains after I have detailed his car, he noticed the water would roll off his windows just like if I had applied Rain X and asked what I used so he can do the same when he washes his car in between details, so I told him all I did was clean the windows with 20/20.
 
I have been using Stoner's IG for a while now and am very happy with the results. With a MF towel no streaks etc.
 
The water repelling abilities you are talking about in 20/20 was not on purpose. It just happens to be an added benefit. That's why we do not list it on the bottle. Some customers mention this to us, while I have seen others where they notice no difference. But in answer to your question, it was not done on purpose and that is why it is not listed on the product.
 
I have switched from Stoners to 20/20. Cheap and fast to buff off. I used to hate doing windows, but I can do inside and out in about 5 minutes now. I use either a cotton terry or a YoSteve (non-linting) MF. On the tinted windows, I will use the special glass MF. I found that Stoners was more difficult to buff off and I had to buff longer or repeat application. 20/20 works first time and quick to buff out. Just my own observations....



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I have used Stoner's and Sprayway and both do a great job. I've found that Stoner's seems to work better that Sprayway in the heat of summer. Glass is always easier to clean when it's cooler. I found that you can get Sprayway in a "house brand" called Progrip from any Safelite Glass Corp. branch. Safelite is a national company that does huge amounts of automotive glass replacement. The Progrip product is exactly the same product as Sprayway #50 glass cleaner, but at a much, much, lower cost. I buy the Progrip by the case and sell it along with Zaino products. One of my associates that help me with Zaino sales just had his patio glass door replaced and when the workers were finished with the install they found they had run out of the window cleaner they normally used so my friend gave them his Progriip to try. They liked it so much that the window company called him the next day and ordered 5 cases. They told him that if it worked as well as the installer told them, they will want to talk about buying it for all of their locations. I used to buy big refill bottles of Windex before finding the Stoners and Sprayway. Now I'm using the Windex I have left for lube when using the claybar!
 
~X(~X(~X( Why?? I'm being forced to buy these pads from a competitor because you guys aren't deciding to sell these. I'm dissappointed that the place that's viewed as being the KBM headquarters won't stock the appropriate items to do the best job. Your pads are way too thick and the Constant Pressure backing takes the effectiveness away from the pad's cutting power via DA. Can you guys please strongly consider stepping up your offerings? Doing cutting edge correction with a DA requires cutting edge pads. The current pads you sell is the old technology.
 
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