Question about oxygen sensor

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I was just wondering if anyone has ever heard or used of Perma-Plate and what your experience has been with the product.



Is Klasse All-In-One or Zaino products much better than Perma-Plate.



Thanks.
 
Curious as to whether you were gonna pay to have it put on, or buy some Klasse or Zaino and apply yourself.



My understanding is that Klasse for exceeds any other dealer-applied protectant.
 
Perma-Plate is great for the car dealer. They've been around for many years selling the paint sealant as a dealer applied protectant. They either make a terrific mark-up when they sell the job to you or they 'give' it to you to close a new car deal. I think you'll be better off listening to what some of the other detailers have to say on this forum.
 
are just another way to pad the profit on a new car. I was at one of the area malls about a month ago and there was a display of Daimler/Chrysler vehicles there by one of the area dealers, who had a member of the sales staff there to answer questions. Next to the Monroney sticker was another sticker with the dealer installed/applied items on the vehicles. For example.... on a black 2001 Chrysler 300M...



Under Environmental Protection (sounds like something the Feds require you to have...not!)

Paint sealant: I asked the salesman what it was..."It's a high tech polymer sealant that is applied with a special buffer..it becomes part of the finish..you'll never have to wax the car again...ever! The cost for the sealant? $350 :eek: The cars looked like they were buffed with a wool compounding pad. Can you say swirl city? :eek: :eek:



Fabric Protection:I asked the same salesman what the fabric protection was..."It's a chemical that repels water and stains and is made by 3M...it's only available to new car dealers....

The cost for the fabric protection? $100 :eek:



That's funny...I think it's called ScotchGuard and is available just about anywhere!



The cost of the package when purchasing both? $400 (Wow! A $50 savings!)





Pinstriping...$175 (tape stripes...I can get a roll of professional quality 3M Pinstriping tape for about $15 and pinstripe a 300M in about a half hour to 45 minutes)



For the $575...you could purchase a PC polisher, Klasse, Zaino or other high quality car care products, have money left over for gas, a few CD's for the car stereo and have the satisfaction of doing the job right!
 
Lexus tried to charge my friends parents $1,200 for "A Touch Of Class" paint sealant.
 
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<strong class='bbc'>Lexus tried to charge my friends parents $1,200 for "A Touch Of Class" paint sealant. [/b]</blockquote>But they do provide free astroglide with it ;)
 
They know that almost everyone is going to say "no way I'm paying $350 for paint sealant". So, they negotiate it down to $100. Customers are thrilled that they got such a great deal. Dealer doesn't car because it only cost the $20 to have the dealership's detail man do the car. Same goes for the pinstripe (pinstripers come in an do 50 of them in a couple of hours for $25/car). Same goes for rustproofing (mechanic's get $25/car to do it off hours). Floor mats ? You get them at the parts department price- which is a 100% markup for the dealer. How about "paperwork preparation" and the fee to go to the DMV for you ?



The basic game is to hit you for $50 here, there, and everywhere. After all, these days everyone and anyone wants his car for $300 over 'dealer cost'. When all is said and done, the dealer makes an extra $200-300 off most customers with the add on products. Some, they hit big, some small, but it's an extra few bucks. Multiplied by all the cars they sell, they make a good chunk extra each year.



Bob (who worked *way* to close to the auto dealership business for a couple of years).
 
I just bought a 2001 BMW 330i and the finaince lady tried and tried to get me to have put on. It's a rip off with all the other products on the market.
 
You could buy a dizzying array of auto-prep products for the $300-$1,200 they'd charge you for "Perma Plate"/"A Touch Of Class". And it's very gratifying to do the work yourself on a car you spent your hard-earned dosh on; whether it be a Hyundai or a Ferarri.
 
Perma Plate is crap in my opinion. Don't ever pay a dealership to put anything on your car. Do you know that the average dealer marks up the price of your car 100 bucks just to detail it?? And if you decide to detail it yourself they still charge you for it. Perma plate is nothing but a name. No better than Klasse or any other product you can purchase and apply yourself. Screw the dealership in any way you can and never ever ever have them touch your car with anything. Crap is always more expensive at a dealership anyway. That is just my bitter opinion anyway. :)
 
Brother Cesar, your fellow believers on this forum are right. Shun the demonic dealers. They are the servants of the Devil. Just buy some Klasse or Zaino, follow the scripture (directions) and the advice of the Elders on this forum, and all will be well and you will walk in righteousness.



Well, maybe not, but at least your car will be protected and it will look great.
 
The reason I asked about Perma-Plate is not because the dealer was selling me the product or they were begging me to put it on (I always refuse anything the dealer wants to sell above and beyond the car itself) but because a car detail shop was telling me he used that product to detail cars. I have since logged on to Perma-Plate's web site and am thinking of ordering the product from the Company and applying it myself. I was just wondering how it compared to Klasse or Ziano. I am still waithing for Perma-Plate's order form in the mail so I could see how much it cost.



By the way, how much does Klasse or Ziano cost and where can one purchase these products from?
 
My sensor just went out on my pickup. The service advisor said that it was the pre convertor one and quoted me a price of almost $300. Times being what they are, I can't afford for them to do it. Has anyone changed on before? I called AZ and the said that they have a Bosch one for $54. Before attempting it, I wanted to see if this would be something easy I could do on my own. Suggestions?
 
I would say it is pretty easy. Make sure you pick up and oxygen sensor removal tool when you p/u the sensor. Hit the old one with some PB Blaster let it sit for about 15 mins. Unplug the old one and remove it with the tool. Install the new one plug it back in and you are set. Pretty easy.
 
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