Picture Shoot Threads

[CH.Detailing]

who gives a crap? Let people take crappy pictures, they know what the car looked like in person. If they want to post up "trick" pictures to get their egos stroked, what does it matter to you? Better yet if you don't like the pictures in a thread, dont look at the thread, or don't post in the thread.

Exactly! This is crucial towards cultivating an open and honest environment of trust and learning. I mean, without apathy, who cares?

 

[GearHead_1]

Well said Conner.

 

[Flannigan]

No, didn't go there. Wouldn't want AF appear that way. I'm interested in seeing AF being the most credible detailing site on the web.



And your point is that I'm not entitled to an opinion??? If I've struck a nerve, I'm sorry. As I've said, I mean no offense.

No you haven't struck a nerve at all. But I do like your attempt at a passive aggressive insult.... All I'm saying is why do you care what someone else does? There are sun shots that can be manipulated in software, or swirls filled by glazes. In the end you don't actually know what the car looks like in person no matter what.

 

[GearHead_1]

...But I do like your attempt at a passive aggressive insult...

So you do like something I've written? All is not lost.

Flannigan, seriously, I don't know you well enough to attempt anything. None of my comments, regarding pictures, were directed at any one individual. In written word just as in pictures without being there first hand (hearing voice inflection) it's tough to know what you're getting. If my comments didn't bother you and you weren't offended then I retract my apology (therefore perceived passive aggressive insult) as there is nothing for which to be sorry.

I simply offer this thread for consideration. We all either like or dislike something about the content or context of this forum. If not we wouldn't be here. I perceive you don't like my opinion (again, just my perception) and that's O.K. As previously stated, you are entitled to your own and I won't fault you for sharing it. That includes starting a thread if you would like and telling why you disagree with what I've written. You never know, I might just learn something in that thread and change my mind. Diversity keeps the wheels spinning. :rockon

 

[Addicted2Bling]

Alright I think if someone on here is trying to make their work seem "better" than what it really is just for the sake of expanding their ego, it will show. If not through the pictures than by the way they post comments. Someone that actually has a passion for detailing is going to help others, and someone that is just here to make themselves look good is just going to tell everyone how great he is. It will come out, and when it does they will stick out like a sore thumb...

 

[Old Pirate]

I do remember a Lambo that Todd corrected that someone from the great white north that came to Florida to ruin and post the awesome work they had done to it. But one thing for sure AutopiaForums is for everyone to enjoy, read, post, and share their work even if it's from someone who is just starting out or someone who has been hard at work for many many year's. As far as I know AutopiaForums is the best around and continue to grow with awesome folks ( all of you ) and gaining more everyday. :autopia:

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

As far as I know AutopiaForums is the best around and continue to grow with awesome folks ( all of you ) and gaining more everyday.

Speaking of fan-boy-isms and ego stroking....

 

[Concours.John]

I think there is no shame in leaving flaws that may be to risky to take out.
Future polishing if not too deep will continue to improve those flaws safely. Plus give the owner a chance to get used to proper maintenance.

100% should be left for vehicles that are show vehicles even then you can only achieve it so many times before there is no safe level.

This also needs to be taken into consideration...does the owner know how to keep it 100%. If it's your own that is your decision. If you are in the repeat maintenance of a vehicle one day you will get burned.

Maybe clarifying before condition and true after could prevent someone new from doing damage thinking that only 95-100% is forum worthy. Others do read these posts and may get too tunnel visioned to understand the down the road or immediate consequences.

As a pro there also needs to be the the understanding that if you are doing this for a client and were too agressive just to post pics you are not benefitting them. One day they may cheat and some other guy will wonder why the clear went during a polish. Yeah he did it. But who pays. The innocent client.

What I'm trying to say is many are looked at as knowing what we are doing. Others are seeking advice. If it is missrepresented for ego. We are hurting the people who are trying to learn the right way from a site that is striving to and becoming the best.

Progressive correction through maintenance should be used and no shame in leaving something for later.
If it's your hobby or profession more likely only we will see it. I think too many people are afraid someone might see a scratch and get slammed. I haven't seen it here and let's not start.

 

[Bunky]

I guess one question is do you want a forum mostly of picture shoot threads?

 

[Nth Degree]

I think there is no shame in leaving flaws that may be to risky to take out.
Future polishing if not too deep will continue to improve those flaws safely. Plus give the owner a chance to get used to proper maintenance.

100% should be left for vehicles that are show vehicles even then you can only achieve it so many times before there is no safe level.

This also needs to be taken into consideration...does the owner know how to keep it 100%. If it's your own that is your decision. If you are in the repeat maintenance of a vehicle one day you will get burned.

Maybe clarifying before condition and true after could prevent someone new from doing damage thinking that only 95-100% is forum worthy. Others do read these posts and may get too tunnel visioned to understand the down the road or immediate consequences.

As a pro there also needs to be the the understanding that if you are doing this for a client and were too agressive just to post pics you are not benefitting them. One day they may cheat and some other guy will wonder why the clear went during a polish. Yeah he did it. But who pays. The innocent client.

What I'm trying to say is many are looked at as knowing what we are doing. Others are seeking advice. If it is missrepresented for ego. We are hurting the people who are trying to learn the right way from a site that is striving to and becoming the best.

Progressive correction through maintenance should be used and no shame in leaving something for later.
If it's your hobby or profession more likely only we will see it. I think too many people are afraid someone might see a scratch and get slammed. I haven't seen it here and let's not start.

I was just going to leave this as a "like", but it is very well said and important for NooBs to understand. Perfection is dangerous.

Understanding your own limitations, the car's/paint's limitations and the customers limitations in maintenance are all crucial in deciding what level of correction is best. Many view glazes/fillers as cheating. This is understandable given the criticisms here of hack work. In reality they serve a very important service, as long as you are up front with the customer and are not used as smoke and mirrors to fool the customer.

There are so many variables to how and why people photograph the way they do. Live and let live. Those who know what to look for can dismiss the poor after shots. I myself have been guilty of failing to post a finished sun shot. That's not to say that my work hasn't been shown in other threads. It will all sort itself out in the end.

 

[Concours.John]

I guess one question is do you want a forum mostly of picture shoot threads?

I guess this is a question for everyone. I would say if the work warrants it. Then and other times best judgement in editing down to best depict the job done. I could see when posting a show it is very hard to narrow down but thats a different topic.

 

[RaskyR1]

I definitely get where the OP is coming from, but I think there are a few things I've noticed and I have a few comments I feel are worth noting.


IMO It's seem that it's usually the new detailers or first time posters of before and after threads that don't have direct light before/after shots. As they become more aware of how a write up "should look", they learn to capture correct after shots. There is nothing wrong with that IMO and a simply polite reply in the thread suggesting they capture direct light shots on their next job should suffice. Off hand I can't think of any seasoned pro that doesn't show proper before and after pics.

The direct suns not always available, period. If that's the case then other forms of direct lighting should be used, the more the better. I can honestly say very few of my threads have direct "sunlight" shots simply because of the location of the sun when I tend to finish my cars. I will use 2 or 3 other forms of lightning though. I only detail on the weekends and it's almost always late in the day on Sunday when I finish. If the sun doesn't shine on the clients car from my driveway, then so be it. I'm not going out of my way to drive their car around the block just to get sun shots.

Al mentioned actions shots. I don't doubt for a second that 99.9% of them are staged shots with a timer, as I take them myself from time to time. The key there is what does the photo show? Is it just a pic of polishing paint or is it an illustration to show others how to tackle a certain task that they may not have thought of? If it's the later then is there really anything wrong with the fact that it's a staged image?

I strive to make my threads as informative as they can be to help others. Obviously it's also a form of advertisement too, so also have pretty after pics is helpful for potential clients.

If people are intentionally manipulating their pics to deceive others, they are only hurting themselves.

At the end of the day we all have the choice to view which threads interest us. If you click on it and it's not what you're expecting then it only takes a second to click the back button.


Just my $.02


rasky

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

I guess one question is do you want a forum mostly of picture shoot threads?

As opposed to what?

Personally, I think pictures and visuals can enhance any conversation about product performance or technique when chosen carefully. It's just the nature of what we're here doing and discussing....

 

[BillRids]

Personally, I think pictures and visuals can enhance any conversation about product performance or technique when chosen carefully. It's just the nature of what we're here doing and discussing....

Correct.

 

[TLMitchell]

IMO It's seem that it's usually the new detailers or first time posters of before and after threads that don't have direct light before/after shots. As they become more aware of how a write up "should look", they learn to capture correct after shots.

There ya go! Those that have been doing this for a long time make writeups look effortless. Only by doing one yourself do you find how time consuming and how much work it can be. It gives a new appreciation of those that regularly and consistantly post super documentation.

There is nothing wrong with that IMO and a simply polite reply in the thread suggesting they capture direct light shots on their next job should suffice. Off hand I can't think of any seasoned pro that doesn't show proper before and after pics.

Once again, the uninitiated don't realize the amount of thought, skill and experience that goes into pics until they try it and find their pics don't really show squat. There's definitely a learning curve.

There's probably some pros that would like to think they're better than they are and want to toot their own horn with substandard pics, photoshop or whatever. IMO, most of the lackluster pics I see (and have taken) are the result of lack of experience.

The direct suns not always available, period. If that's the case then other forms of direct lighting should be used, the more the better. I can honestly say very few of my threads have direct "sunlight" shots simply because of the location of the sun when I tend to finish my cars. I will use 2 or 3 other forms of lightning though.

IMO, the newer detailer is proud of his results and what he's learned on Forums and wants to share his results in order to illustrate to the mentors how their efforts have paid off. They're not trying to document their processes and techniques amongst other professionals, they're just overjoyed at having a swirl free finish and want to share their success and are proud to say "I did that!." I can't find anything wrong with that. My take is when you see substandard pics and documentation, consider the source before being too critical.

There's a lot of thoughtfulness that goes into some posts as well. Like the guy that covers his deformaties so as not to scare small children or the elderly.

That rascally Rasky, always considerate of the other guy.

TL

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

There's a lot of thoughtfulness that goes into some posts as well. Like the guy that covers his deformaties so as not to scare small children or the elderly.

That rascally Rasky, always considerate of the other guy.

TL

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[RaskyR1]

Lol. Yeah, that damn massive nose of mine!


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