PG vs SSR2.5 vs UPP

maesal

maesal

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Hi all,

I'm looking for a polish for PC use more agressive than UPP, because I need 4 passes for removing swirls, and this process consums a lot of time. I would like to reduce this time with good results.

Could you help me comparing both, Menzerna PG and PoorBoys SSR2.5?

I assume that SSR3 is harder than I need for this pourpose...

Thanks in advance.

Regards.

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Uh, you stole Scottwax's avatar. :lol



That's a spoof on his real life looks that was designed for him. I think you'll need to change it :)



If you looked closely, he was in the last South Park episode as an extra in the back.
 
More aggressive than UPP? Shouldn't be too hard to find something, because UPP is a non-abrasive sealant.



And yeah, that's Scott's picture in your avatar. That's actually a real-life picture. ;)
 
Wow... when I first opened this I thought Scott came down with alzheimer's... looked at the avatar and then asking a question...



But anyways, Poorboy's SSR2.5 will remove a good bit defects in your paint. It works well by PC and doesn't take too long to break down. I would personally follow up with SSR1 just because I strive to have the utmost perfection that I can get.
 
Ok, I changed it :hifive:

Sorry, I thougt that this avatar was very popular, and it isnt :cry:, sorry, Scottwax.

Then, what polish do you think is better, Menzerna PG or SSR2.5?

I was using: UPP, PP and MP, I seal with Grojet2000 and I use Nattys Blue.

This results were obtained with this "combo":



Before:







After:















I think the results are OK, but I needed 4xUPP to remove the swirls, and I can't remove scratches with UPP.

Thanks and sorry about the avatar.
 
Is this:

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Haha ... when I saw the first post, I was wondering how you managed to get rid of any swirls with UPP. It's good you've posted the pic, because now we know what you've been using.



If you think SSR3 is too aggressive, then PowerGloss is also more than you're after.

SSR2.5 is probably a better choice. It'll tackle most non-serious defects and leave dark paint almost ready for LSP.
 
I forgot to mention Optimun Compound.

From the Mad iX comments, I think that SSR2.5 and PG are similar. I've a friend that don't obtained good results with PB polishes. So, I think, I'll buy or Menzerna PG or Optimum Compound.

Please, share your knowledge with me about this products.

Thank you !!
 
Hi Maesal. First off, PG is not recommended for use with the PC. I know some have used it with very good results, however I’d be cautious. Secondly, 1Z Extra/Ultra is not CC safe. As you know, its super abrasive and not for the faint at heart. I am VERY surprised that 4 passes with Extra/Ultra did not eliminate all your swirls.



Any reason why you’re using such harsh compounds? If what you’ve used thus far has not cleared your finish, perhaps you want to modify your pads or technique.
 
Hello dudes!



I´m a partner of Maesal, both from Spain. Here is very common to use the line of 1Z in almos every process... I mean Ultra paint polish, Paint Polish and Metallic Polish... in that order. We get cool results with that, but I agree with Maesal, Upp takes long to remove all imperfections...



I personally use Poorboys for everything, SSR 3, 2.5 and 1, but Maesal is convinced that SSR3 is just like scratching your paint with 10 grit sand paper...



So... Mezerna? Optimun?
 
Knockwurst said:
Hi Maesal. First off, PG is not recommended for use with the PC. I know some have used it with very good results, however I’d be cautious. Secondly, 1Z Extra/Ultra is not CC safe. As you know, its super abrasive and not for the faint at heart. I am VERY surprised that 4 passes with Extra/Ultra did not eliminate all your swirls.



Any reason why you’re using such harsh compounds? If what you’ve used thus far has not cleared your finish, perhaps you want to modify your pads or technique.
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The same question: Whad does CC mean in the sentence:

"Secondly, 1Z Extra/Ultra is not CC safe."

My good, I've never heard about PG is not recommended to use with PC. I spoke with Racer about this subject and he recommended me this process.

Please, post more comments, they will be very good received.

Thank you !!



NeReTe: Very good your english, maybe better than mine !!

Regards.
 
Knockwurst said:
First off, PG is not recommended for use with the PC. I know some have used it with very good results, however I’d be cautious.
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I've used it with a PC and while it works, it leaves hazing and doesn't get the best from PG. The abrasives are VERY concentrated so it takes the heat of a rotary to break it down properly and leave a glossy finish.



Secondly, 1Z Extra/Ultra is not CC safe. As you know, its super abrasive and not for the faint at heart.
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CC = Clear Coat.



I am VERY surprised that 4 passes with Extra/Ultra did not eliminate all your swirls.
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ME TOO! :eek:



Any reason why you’re using such harsh compounds? If what you’ve used thus far has not cleared your finish, perhaps you want to modify your pads or technique.
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I'd look at technique before stepping up to PG, SSR3 or 1Z Extra/Ultra. How are you working the PC? Speed, pressure, etc.



Also what pads are you using?



BTW, the car came up beautifully. :up What sort of car is it?
 
Alfisti said:
I've used it with a PC and while it works, it leaves hazing and doesn't get the best from PG. The abrasives are VERY concentrated so it takes the heat of a rotary to break it down properly ans leave a glossy finish.





CC = Clear Coat.





ME TOO! :eek





I'd look at technique before stepping up to PG, SSR3 or 1Z Extra/Ultra. How are you working the PC? Speed, pressure, etc.



Also what pads are you using?



BTW, the car came up beautifully. :up What sort of car is it?
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I'm using 7'' Propel PADs. I use the 6 speed in this phase.

I'm sorry, I dont understand the expression "Clear Coat", can you explain it?. My english isn't very good.

Then, you think that PG with PC will achieve very good results, isn't it?

Have you compared PG vs Optimun Compound or SSR2.5?

Thanks !!
 
Which Propel pad? Cutting pad, polishing pad, finishing pad? What colour is it?



Clear Coat is the clear (without pigment) paint that is put on top of metallic paints (and many solid colours) to add depth and minimize oxidation. The glossy paint layer on your car above the metallic flakes is clear-coat paint.



The negative part of CC is that it shows up scratches and swirls far more than non-clear coated paints (sometimes referred to as single stage paint).



PG is far stronger than SS2.5...no comparison. I can't understand why 1Z Ultra didn't remove the marring...its extremely aggressive and I only use it on rock-hard German paints and single stage white...but not with the PC.



The most aggressive I'd go with a PC is #83 or SSR2.5...I haven't tried OC.
 
Alfisti said:
Which Propel pad? Cutting pad, polishing pad, finishing pad? What colour is it?
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Is the cutting PAS, the yellow one.



Alfisti said:
Clear Coat is the clear (without pigment) paint that is put on top of metallic paints (and many solid colours) to add depth and minimize oxidation. The glossy paint layer on your car above the metallic flakes is clear-coat paint.



The negative part of CC is that it shows up scratches and swirls far more than non-clear coated paints (sometimes referred to as single stage paint).
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OK.



Alfisti said:
PG is far stronger than SS2.5...no comparison. I can't understand why 1Z Ultra didn't remove the marring...its extremely aggressive and I only use it on rock-hard German paints and single stage white...but not with the PC.



The most aggressive I'd go with a PC is #83 or SSR2.5...I haven't tried OC.
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I've never heard that 1z UPP is very strong... 1z has Intensive Paste, the very strong one, but I think that I don't need it.

I'll check more answers before buying one of this 3 compounds.

How many passes did you need for removing swirls (I don't know if you had this case) with #83 and SSR2.5?. The problem is that I needed 4 passes with UPP and 45 minutes, and this is a very long time. Maybe I'm not using properly the PC, I used it 3 times, because I received it 2 weeks ago. This weekend I'm going with people that love detailing to check how to use properly the PC. In this place, I can buy the compounds that I'm refering.

Thanks.
 
The problem is that I needed 4 passes with UPP and 45 minutes.
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45 minutes for the whole car or just one panel? Either way, 45 mins is too quick for 4 passes.



Using a PC is a slow process...sometimes it takes over 1 hour to do 1 panel if its really bad and needs 2 or 3 passes. On a car that has marring as bad as yours I'd spend 6-8 hours easily...especially if your paint is hard.



It sounds to me that you moved the PC far too fast and didn't allow time for the 1Z Ultra to do its job. Asa guide you need to move the PC about 2cm per second for the first half of the polish application.
 
Alfisti said:
45 minutes for the whole car or just one panel? Either way, 45 mins is too quick for 4 passes.



Using a PC is a slow process...sometimes it takes over 1 hour to do 1 panel if its really bad and needs 2 or 3 passes. On a car that has marring as bad as yours I'd spend 6-8 hours easily...especially if your paint is hard.



It sounds to me that you moved the PC far too fast and didn't allow time for the 1Z Ultra to do its job. Asa guide you need to move the PC about 2cm per second for the first half of the polish application.
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I think this is the reason. This weekend I'm going to see a person who is very used to use orbital and rotative machines, and I'll improve my technique. :woot2:

When you are in the cutting phase, what speed do you use?

Thanks !!
 
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