Petroleum Distillates In Tire Dressings
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togwt
The Old Grey Whistle Test
Quote: Petroleum Distillates In Tire Dressings.
~One mans opinion / observation~
http://www.bettercarcare.com/articles.php?articleId=42
~One mans opinion / observation~
http://www.bettercarcare.com/articles.php?articleId=42
TOGWT- thank you for your indepth reply. A couple of questions:
1. Why do so many manufacturers use PDs in tire dressings?....I am guessing that part of it is that they can get the short term look and performance the customer wants, even though long term PDs may do damage to the rubber.
2. What dressing(s) do you use? What vinyl protectants do you use?
Thank you for the info and reply.
1. Why do so many manufacturers use PDs in tire dressings?....I am guessing that part of it is that they can get the short term look and performance the customer wants, even though long term PDs may do damage to the rubber.
2. What dressing(s) do you use? What vinyl protectants do you use?
Thank you for the info and reply.
When I was trying to get a grip on PDs and silicones, this thread is one that I bookmarked, as it seems to have more in-depth info than some others.
HTH --
HTH --
togwt
The Old Grey Whistle Test
Quote: Petroleum Distillates In Rubber/Vinyl Protectants
TOGWT- thank you for your indepth reply. A couple of questions:
~One mans opinion / observation~
Q Why do so many manufacturers use PDs in tire dressings?....I am guessing that part of it is that they can get the short term look and performance the customer wants, even though long term PDs may do damage to the rubber.
A Silicone has some good and even necessary traits that enhance rubber, plastic and vinyl, at least when it’s the “good silicone�, Poly Dimethyl Siloxane or PDMS for short. It’s water-based, dries to a non-oily hard surface, and doesn’t migrate the plasticizers from the material, less absorption of UV rays and non-dust attracting. Good attributes, The PDMS silicones tend to be more expensive.
A The “bad� Silicone is Dimethyl Silicone. D/S is oily; migratory (pulls the plasticizers from the plastic/vinyl. Plasticizers are what give elasticity and colour to these materials), attracts dust, contains petroleum distillates which give the “oily “ feel, and can actually cause degradation of some rubber compounds in tires with sun interaction, removing “micro-wax� that all tire manufacturers put in their tyres.
Q What dressing(s) do you use?
A Zymol Preserve Concentrate (Tyres)
QWhat vinyl protectants do you use?
A Zymol Viynl Conditioner (interior), Klasse Viynl Protecant (exterior)
I’m sure there are other water-based dressings out there, I’ve found that if they are ‘natural’ (water based) they will say so, but it safest to ask.
~ Hope this helps ~
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justadumbarchitect * so i question everything*
TOGWT- thank you for your indepth reply. A couple of questions:
~One mans opinion / observation~
Q Why do so many manufacturers use PDs in tire dressings?....I am guessing that part of it is that they can get the short term look and performance the customer wants, even though long term PDs may do damage to the rubber.
A Silicone has some good and even necessary traits that enhance rubber, plastic and vinyl, at least when it’s the “good silicone�, Poly Dimethyl Siloxane or PDMS for short. It’s water-based, dries to a non-oily hard surface, and doesn’t migrate the plasticizers from the material, less absorption of UV rays and non-dust attracting. Good attributes, The PDMS silicones tend to be more expensive.
A The “bad� Silicone is Dimethyl Silicone. D/S is oily; migratory (pulls the plasticizers from the plastic/vinyl. Plasticizers are what give elasticity and colour to these materials), attracts dust, contains petroleum distillates which give the “oily “ feel, and can actually cause degradation of some rubber compounds in tires with sun interaction, removing “micro-wax� that all tire manufacturers put in their tyres.
Q What dressing(s) do you use?
A Zymol Preserve Concentrate (Tyres)
QWhat vinyl protectants do you use?
A Zymol Viynl Conditioner (interior), Klasse Viynl Protecant (exterior)
I’m sure there are other water-based dressings out there, I’ve found that if they are ‘natural’ (water based) they will say so, but it safest to ask.
~ Hope this helps ~
Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/
justadumbarchitect * so i question everything*
At this point, my take on it is that if you are dealing with a reputable manufacturer who has made tire dressings for quite some time, the specific PDs and/or specific silicones used are going to be safe for rubber/vinyl.
The water based dressings would not have the PDs, but would have silicones...and I am reading that PDMS (a specific silicone) used in water based products is fine.
Kind of gets back to personal preference.
Currently I am using NXT Protectant (PD based) and like its satin type finish. I am also a fan of Armor All original and 303.
The water based dressings would not have the PDs, but would have silicones...and I am reading that PDMS (a specific silicone) used in water based products is fine.
Kind of gets back to personal preference.
Currently I am using NXT Protectant (PD based) and like its satin type finish. I am also a fan of Armor All original and 303.
Mirrorfinishman-- my "guess" at the answers to the 5 questions:
1. No- but I would use only a reputable product
2. No
3. Yes
4. Usually will say "contains petroleum distillates" on the label.
5. Label typically just says PDs...not the specific ones. May also
list some other ingredients.
1. No- but I would use only a reputable product
2. No
3. Yes
4. Usually will say "contains petroleum distillates" on the label.
5. Label typically just says PDs...not the specific ones. May also
list some other ingredients.
togwt
The Old Grey Whistle Test
~One man’s opinion / observations ~
Back to the questions:
1- Since it appears that 90% of dressings contain PDs, should this be a concern?
A If you care about rubber/vinyl/the environment, then yes.
2- Do water-based tire dressings contain petroleum distillates?
A. No
3- Do solvent-based tire dressings contain petroleum distillates?
Yes, some are PDMS (good) some are DS (bad)
4- How do we know if PDs are in the tire dressing that we use?
Sometimes on the label or MSDS
5- Is info about PDs printed on product labels?
Not often, usually states, “Contains petroleum distillates�
~ Hope this helps ~
Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/
justadumbarchitect * so i question everything*
Back to the questions:
1- Since it appears that 90% of dressings contain PDs, should this be a concern?
A If you care about rubber/vinyl/the environment, then yes.
2- Do water-based tire dressings contain petroleum distillates?
A. No
3- Do solvent-based tire dressings contain petroleum distillates?
Yes, some are PDMS (good) some are DS (bad)
4- How do we know if PDs are in the tire dressing that we use?
Sometimes on the label or MSDS
5- Is info about PDs printed on product labels?
Not often, usually states, “Contains petroleum distillates�
~ Hope this helps ~
Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/
justadumbarchitect * so i question everything*
togwt
The Old Grey Whistle Test
Quote: Currently I am using NXT Protectant (PD based)
~One man’s opinion / observations ~
In spite of the ability to re-distil and remove any harmful components this is rarely down in the automotive industry, the one exception I know to this is Meguiar’s. To group all petroleum distillates into one category and label them harmful or dangerous would be both unscientific and without foundation.
~ Hope this helps ~
Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/
justadumbarchitect * so i question everything*
~One man’s opinion / observations ~
In spite of the ability to re-distil and remove any harmful components this is rarely down in the automotive industry, the one exception I know to this is Meguiar’s. To group all petroleum distillates into one category and label them harmful or dangerous would be both unscientific and without foundation.
~ Hope this helps ~
Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/
justadumbarchitect * so i question everything*