PB's S&W and ONR @ QD Strength

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Bert

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Is Poor Boy's Spray and Wipe any better than ONR at QD strength? I realize that S&W is not very expensive but that is just one more product to add to the collection and ONR is dirt cheap at QD strength.



Also, I don't hear much about Spray and Gloss. That adds shine only I assume? No protection like Aquawax or Z8 would offer correct?
 
I don't have any experience with PB S&W, but as you said, ONR is dirt cheap (regardless of dilution ratio) and will leave behind a small amount of polymer protection. I would follow it up with OCW for added protection though.
 
bert31 said:
Is Poor Boy's Spray and Wipe any better than ONR at QD strength? I realize that S&W is not very expensive but that is just one more product to add to the collection and ONR is dirt cheap at QD strength.



Also, I don't hear much about Spray and Gloss. That adds shine only I assume? No protection like Aquawax or Z8 would offer correct?
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IMO PB S&W and ONR QD are not an apples to apples comparison...



Even though ONR is a "rinseless" wash, when you use it as QD strength in a spray bottle you no longer have a "rinseless wash" you now have made a QD - compared to PB S&W which IS a waterless, rinseless wash



Long story short, if you are using PB S&W as a QD then yes, ONR QD would suffice BUT if you are using PB S&W as a waterless wash ONR QD strength is a spray bottle will not yeild the same results...
 
MotorCity said:
Long story short, if you are using PB S&W as a QD then yes, ONR QD would suffice BUT if you are using PB S&W as a waterless wash ONR QD strength is a spray bottle will not yeild the same results...
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Do you say that from your actual experience?
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Do you say that from your actual experience?
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Well when ONR is diluted to a QD that is what it becomes a QD.. I do not QD dirty cars to avoid marring... I do however PB S&W a dirty car because it is a waterless wash...
 
MotorCity said:
Well when ONR is diluted to a QD that is what it becomes a QD.. I do not QD dirty cars to avoid marring... I do however PB S&W a dirty car because it is a waterless wash...
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ok so have you tried it?



I have not tried it but

@ "QD" strength there is more ONR then @ wash strength

so how is it different?
 
BigJimZ28 said:
ok so have you tried it?



I have not tried it but

@ "QD" strength there is more ONR then @ wash strength

so how is it different?
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The process is 100% totally different when used as a QD vs rinseless wash..



when used as a waterless wash I dip my mitt and wipe, if it's not totally clean I dip again and wipe until the panel is clean - then and ONLY then does a drying towel touch my paint



As I have learned, if your drying towel comes uo dirty, you need to do additional wipes with the ONR mitt... Do you think using the QD strength ONR will leave you with a clean drying towel.. I do not...



It's not the strength where my concern lies but the process...



As I said I do not use QD on dirty cars, I would hope most (if not all) practice the same caution...



Dont get me wrong, your paint may get clean.. but as with even the best QD's using on dirty paint will marr
 
So it is ok if S&W gives you a dirty drying towel, but not OK if ONR @QD strength does? I don't understand the double standard...simply because Poorboy Steve uses different terminology than Dr. Dave?
 
I think he's saying you need to compare ONR vs. PB S&W to get a more equal comparison. When you start turning ONR into a QD then they can't be compared.... at least that's what I'm getting from this.



I also think he is arguing that ONR should used as just that on a dirty vehicle and not tuned down to a QD to clean it. I'm not sure if anyone else is arguing that or not, but that is one of his points, and I agree.



Even after I just clarified that, I'm still confused on what is actually being argued or questioned here. Ha.
 
BuffMe said:
I think he's saying you need to compare ONR vs. PB S&W to get a more equal comparison. When you start turning ONR into a QD then they can't be compared.... at least that's what I'm getting from this.



I also think he is arguing that ONR should used as just that on a dirty vehicle and not tuned down to a QD to clean it. I'm not sure if anyone else is arguing that or not, but that is one of his points, and I agree.



Even after I just clarified that, I'm still confused on what is actually being argued or questioned here. Ha.
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Whats at issue is whether or not ONR at QD dilution is any different in terms of abilities and results when comparing to PB S&W.



I have never used ONR this way, nor would I. At the same time I would never use S&W in this, nor would I.



A dirty car + a spray (CG ONE, ONR QD, PB S&W) = unsettling thoughts rummaging in my head.



Motorcity may be a bit confused.



To the OP: What are you looking to use ONR QD for? Waterless wash? If so, I guess I would use a product that is at least marketed for that purpose, though I do not recommend it.
 
BuffMe said:
I also think he is arguing that ONR should used as just that on a dirty vehicle and not tuned down to a QD to clean it. I'm not sure if anyone else is arguing that or not, but that is one of his points, and I agree.
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"Tuned" down? As Big Al noted, the QD mixture of ONR is *more* concentrated than the wash mixture.
 
I meant to say "up or down", as I also apparently missed the word "be" between the words "should just". No more posting for me tonight...
 
NSXTASY said:
To the OP: What are you looking to use ONR QD for? Waterless wash? If so, I guess I would use a product that is at least marketed for that purpose, though I do not recommend it.
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I was wondering what it was about S&W that makes it safe to wipe on a dirty car but not ONR. I know Detailer's Pride makes a S&W product, I haven't heard much about it though.
 
BuffMe said:
I think he's saying you need to compare ONR vs. PB S&W to get a more equal comparison. When you start turning ONR into a QD then they can't be compared.... at least that's what I'm getting from this.



I also think he is arguing that ONR should used as just that on a dirty vehicle and not tuned down to a QD to clean it. I'm not sure if anyone else is arguing that or not, but that is one of his points, and I agree.



Even after I just clarified that, I'm still confused on what is actually being argued or questioned here. Ha.
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Well someone gets me at least...



While I know using PB S&W and/or ONE may be unsettling and contrary to what we have all learned - PB S&W has proven to me to do what it says..



Mind you I am not using it on a SEVERLY soiled vehicle but on mildly soiled.... If the paint is any more than mildy soiled I do a traditional wash (weather permitting) or a waterless wash in the cold Michigan winters



To clear up my statements...



ONR @ QD strength IS NOT a waterless wash it is a QD - use it as such



ONR in a bucket mixed and used as directed for WASHING IS a waterless wash - use it as such



PB S&W IS a waterless wash - use it as such



there really is a lot to be said for following the Mfg intsructions
 
MotorCity said:
The process is 100% totally different when used as a QD vs rinseless wash..



when used as a waterless wash I dip my mitt and wipe, if it's not totally clean I dip again and wipe until the panel is clean - then and ONLY then does a drying towel touch my paint



As I have learned, if your drying towel comes uo dirty, you need to do additional wipes with the ONR mitt... Do you think using the QD strength ONR will leave you with a clean drying towel.. I do not...



It's not the strength where my concern lies but the process...



As I said I do not use QD on dirty cars, I would hope most (if not all) practice the same caution...



Dont get me wrong, your paint may get clean.. but as with even the best QD's using on dirty paint will marr
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Even when using PB S&W I assume you are always refolding the MF towel (or grabbing another towel) to make sure you have a clean portion of the towel touching the paint.



The reason I am asking in the first place, each weekend when I wash my car, 95% of my car is hardly dirty. My rinse bucket is still pretty clean UNTIL I get to my rocker panels and the painted areas around my wheel wells. Those are the only areas that really look bad and need washing frequently, more than once a week due to how low my car sits to the ground. I was thinking about every other day just doing a quick touch up of those areas with ONR QD. Then I wondered, should I go with something like S&W instead, hence my seeking your opinions.
 
MotorCity said:
Well someone gets me at least...



While I know using PB S&W and/or ONE may be unsettling and contrary to what we have all learned - PB S&W has proven to me to do what it says..



Mind you I am not using it on a SEVERLY soiled vehicle but on mildly soiled.... If the paint is any more than mildy soiled I do a traditional wash (weather permitting) or a waterless wash in the cold Michigan winters



To clear up my statements...



ONR @ QD strength IS NOT a waterless wash it is a QD - use it as such



ONR in a bucket mixed and used as directed for WASHING IS a waterless wash - use it as such



PB S&W IS a waterless wash - use it as such



there really is a lot to be said for following the Mfg intsructions
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To be technical, isn't using ONR in a bucket a RINSLESS wash not a waterless wash??
 
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