Part Breakage or Failure Fault Disclaimer Agreements when Detailing Older Vehicles

Lonnie

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This thread is started from an "unfortunate" incident from using the neighbor's lawn mower to cut their lawn and then being blamed for the lawn mower's breakage of the self-propelled drive. Its breakage probably would have happened anyway regardless of who was using the mower, but because I was the ONLY one to use the mower in the last five years of its life to cut their lawn, I am now deemed responsible for its breakage. Needless to say I will not use the mower or cut the neighbor's lawn anymore because trying to explain that things wear out and breakage happens from use over the years is a moot issue, especially newer products these days that are designed to last for the life of the warranty. But that "excuse" has fallen on deaf ears and I am ultimately responsible for the mower's self-propelled drive demise and liable for its repair expense, which has lead to an unfortunate demise of being "good neighbors" for many years of this "misunderstanding" (at least it is deemed "a misunderstanding" on my part)

Which leads to another related topic on detailing older vehicles and when I say "older vehicle" I am defining that as a vehicle with more than 100,000 miles on it OR is 5 or more years old. How many of you have had the unfortunate experience of having some electrical switch or release cable malfunction or break on you from using it while trying to detail an older vehicle or maybe have a car battery fail from keeping the doors open for an extended period of time when detailing the interior??
It is one of those things that you are the untimely and unfortunate victim of a said part malfunctions or failures that would have happened anyway to the vehicle owner/driver next, but it happened while YOU were detailing the vehicle and, like my lawn mower experience, the owner/driver holds YOU responsible.

Which lead to the next question: How many of you detailers have a Part Failure or Breakage Disclaimer Agreement that you have the customer/owner/driver of the vehicle you are detailing sign to absolve you of such liability and costs in getting such items fixed or repaired?
I realize that for those of you who do detailing as a cash-only side job and not as a legitimate business (registered LLC, Company, Enterprise and pay business and local, state and federal income taxes) may think this is down-right insane. NO customer will, in his right mind, sign such an agreement. I say this because you can verbally "agree" that if such things happen, the customer is responsible for such repair and costs, but his-word-against-your-word in this day and age of lawsuit-happy consumers, you probably will NOT get paid for you detailing work, or worse, be dragged in court to have YOU pay for the cost of replacement and repairs.

Here is what I think the agreement should say:

Part Failure or Breakage Agreement
Because my vehicle (Model Year_______, Make_____________ , and Model______________) has (______,_______Miles/km) miles/kilometers on it, I, the customer designated below, do agree to absolve the detailer designated below for any breakage or failure of parts during its normal use while detailing the vehicle and subsequent cost for replacement and/or repairs as needed, and will assume such costs for replacement and/or repairs because of the above denoted age and and mileage of the vehicle being detailed.

Signed:
Date (mm/dd/year): _______/______/_______

Printed name of customer:_____________________________________________ Signature:___________________________________________________

Printed name of detailer:_______________________________________________ Signature:__________________________________________________
Customer's Copy

Part Failure or Breakage Agreement
Because my vehicle (Model Year_______, Make_____________ , and Model______________) has (______,_______Miles/km) miles/kilometers on it, I, the customer designated below, do agree to absolve the detailer designated below for any breakage or failure of parts during its normal use while detailing the vehicle and subsequent cost for replacement and/or repairs as needed, and will assume such costs for replacement and/or repairs because of the above denoted age and and mileage of the vehicle being detailed.

Signed:
Date (mm/dd/year): _______/______/_______

Printed name of customer:_____________________________________________ Signature:___________________________________________________

Printed name of detailer:_______________________________________________ Signature:__________________________________________________
Detailer's Copy

Not that this is a "legal form" by any means but at least it provides something in writing to protect your economic interest when you detail an older vehicle. I say this because the term "normal use" is subject to interpretation, but this is a short-and-sweet-cover-your-financial-interest agreement.

Please note the duplicity that some may not like having to fill in things twice, but you do need two copies for both parties. If you want, you could make a copy of it one and physically write "Customer's Copy" on the original after making a copy and write "Detailer's Copy" on the copy made from the original for yourself and keep it as a record.

All it takes its is ONE "incident" of this part breakage or failure to undo all the money you would have made detailing an older vehicle, not to mention the undoing and irreparable harm to your detailing reputation and side job income.
 
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What type of lawnmower?
A Toro GTS model 21462 purchased in June, 2021.
I have done ALL the maintenance on it each year, including oil change, spark plug and air filter replacement, under deck clean out, and blade sharpening. I wash the mower after each use and Spray WD-40 on deck height adjustments on each wheel, door debris springs, and hand control cables. That's the neighbor's request, not my usual routine, so the mower looks pretty "new". My mistake, it is four (4) years old, not five(5) as I originally posted.
It probably is used 18 (dry year)to 24 (wet year) times a year and the clippings are ALWAYS bagged.
More-than-you-really-wanted-to-know.
 
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Many of the damages to vehicles, both interior and exterior, are from the detailer wearing jewelry or watches while detailing AND/OR from clothing zippers, buttons, jean rivets, or belt nickels. Removal of jewelry and watches from one's person should be standard operating procedure before detailing, even by a novice!
Having been in machine shops and manufacturing plants that REQUIRE removal of such personal items for safety reasons, I see safety signage in such places as a reminder to workers, contractors, and visitors to do just that: remove jewelry or watches or risk being asked to leave or be reprimanded.
More than once I have been asked to tuck in or remove a men's long dress tie from my shirt as a white collar engineering person.
My nemesis is from shoe toe ends rubbing against the middle of the door paint while standing on a platform ladder and trying to reach the center of the roof on a large truck or SUV while polishing with a DA orbital.
 
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My nemesis is from shoe toe ends rubbing against the middle of the door paint while standing on a platform ladder and trying to reach the center of the roof on a large truck or SUV while polishing with a DA orbital.
Lonnie, we should invent one of those Tom Cruise/Mission Impossible rigs to hang you over the roof for polishing...just think, every detail shop will want one!
 
There are two parts to being a good neighbor.

1. If you borrow something, return it in the condition you got it.

2. If you let someone borrow a tool and it breaks in regular use, don't ask the person that borrowed it to fix it.

Now if you do something boneheaded like not check the oil every time you fill up and smoke the motor, he has every right to ask for a new motor. Where this one gets off the track Lonnie, is you are mowing the lawn for that neighbor. Personally, I'd still offer to fix it, but I'd expect the neighbor to say don't worry about it, you were just using it.

Back to cars, it comes down to normal use. If you roll the windows down to clean the gaskets and they don't go back up, that's on the owner. If you were vacuuming and got your nozzle stuck on something and in the process of wrestling it out, you broke some plastic, that's on you.

To make matters even worse, I saw a recent video where someone was installing some aftermarket electronics in a car and they broke the door handle while replacing the door skin. Turns out handles aren't sold individually, you have to buy an entire inner door skin... at almost $600!!!
 
To make matters even worse, I saw a recent video where someone was installing some aftermarket electronics in a car and they broke the door handle while replacing the door skin. Turns out handles aren't sold individually, you have to buy an entire inner door skin... at almost $600!!!
Sounds like that's our next Autopian business plan, after the roof detailing rig, is either making door handles, or $500 door skins.
 
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Lonnie, we should invent one of those Tom Cruise/Mission Impossible rigs to hang you over the roof for polishing...just think, every detail shop will want one!
The engineering required to hold my ginormous body weight over a vehicle would, indeed, be a "mission impossible"!
Not to mention my being in a suspended in a head-slighty-down because I have SUCH a big head prone position and the contents of my stomach would come up, causing further damage to the paint roof.
Kidding aside, I have personally witnessed what human vomit on vehicle paint and the etching damage it can do is as bad, if not worse, than bird droppings. This is from overly drunken passengers sticking their head out a window in a moving vehicle and "praying to the porcelain gods". (Hey, I live in Wisconsin where drinking alcohol is the second-highest per capita in the nation...NOT something I am personally proud of!!... OK, back to kidding!)

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Not me, I can't reach until Lonnie designs that Mission Impossible rig and Tom Cruise signs off on the drawings.
Funny above the "rig" design:
What REALLY is needed is some type of tool holder that extends the length or reach of a buffing machine. Hey , if Lake County Tool invented a user-selectable multi-orbital stroke buffer, why not buffer with a user-selectable body extender to reach those middle of the roof or hood areas on large SUVs, trucks, or even boats.
Go, go gadget telescoping arms....
 
Somehow this topic has morphed (actually been highjacked... remember that forum term?!) from a disclaimer agreement about broken or damaged parts to one of AI-robot polishing machines for the hard-to-reach areas on a vehicle, BUT, in retrospect, I was the culprit who did so and key contributor to this thread topic alternate-sideways discussion.
Still, a good alternate discussion topic anyway, in my opinion. Gotta believe that there are automated car wash equipment manufacturers who are developing AI-assisted robotic arms for doing just that: polishing and waxing/coating.
Judging by the unknown volume of workers in various fields of business who have been displaced by AI, detailers are not immune from this technology. But that is another topic discussion that someone can start and address.
(Don't look now, Captain Obvious, but I think you already have...just sayin'.. can't wait for that Swirl Roomba...Even have a name for it: RIDS- Roomba Intelligent Detailing System. Yeah, like some non-detailing marketing genius came up with THAT name!!!....
Three weeks later in a business meeting: What, RIDS in the detailing world means Random Isolated Deep Scratches.. Oh, I get it why it is not selling now...never mind!)
 
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Threadjacked or high jacked.. I know what you mean... And, NO, it wasn't you at all who was the threadjacker...just glad SOMEONE responds in this forum..
Then again someone will ding me about my Roomba RIDS acronym, like don't you have anything better to do, Captain Obvious...
 
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