paint correction

[A.P.D.]

how much do you guys charge for removing spider webs? i am looking at offering this service at a reasonable price. :waxing: how long will will spider web removers last? i 'm not using a glaze????:grrr

 

[white gecko 99]

Real swirl REMOVAL is a learned skill, its not a quick answer. If you are hiding swirls with a glaze, wax, or low end polish....you aren't doing anyone any favors. You need to remove them permanently. Once they are removed they don't come back unless the car isn't cared for properly (ie, poor washing method of the owner).



You're going to want a rotary buffer for sure, and a random orbital like the PC7424. Get some Lake Country Pads. Pick up some Meguiars and Menzerna compounds and polishes and start experimenting (just not on a customer's car).



Paint correction can be a very lengthy process. Browse the Pro Details Before and After section to see the tremendous hours that we put in for paint correction and the real difference it makes. It will also give you a ton of new questions, so I'd say jot down any new question that comes up while reading and then do a search. Lots of good info on here you can pick up on.



Good luck!



ps, the price... it varies enormously, from under 200 to well over 1,000. Its all about the condition, desired results, skill of the user, hardness of the clear, and budget of the owner.





:waxing:

 

[A.P.D.]

i found a method three weeks ago(was not a glaze or anyother cover up method) and they are still gone Question are they gone for good. I washed it with dawn and 3 other times it looks as good as the day i finished. for you guys that do offer paint correction do yuo guys guareantee no webbing for a certain time periord?

 

[imported_Detailing Technology]

What method and product did you use?

 

[white gecko 99]

i found a method three weeks ago(was not a glaze or anyother cover up method) and they are still gone Question are they gone for good. I washed it with dawn and 3 other times it looks as good as the day i finished. for you guys that do offer paint correction do yuo guys guareantee no webbing for a certain time periord?

What method would that be?



I would only place a guarantee on my work. If holograms show up later, I'll warranty that for sure. But not for swirlmarks....customer could easily wash it and introduce new swirls then want them removed.

 

[A.P.D.]

i used the spider web remover by glare and the follow up polish. looks great looks like sometime out of the before and after section. wash, clay, pc with 2 to 3 coats then follow up with 2 to 3 coats pf polish.

 

[white gecko 99]

sounds like you are on the right track, though I've never heard of that product...



Doing coats with the PC sounds like applying a LSP. You work polishes into the finish, not just apply them. How long did this take you? doing a 4-6 step correction should take quite a while.

 

[A.P.D.]

sorry what is LSP? it fook me about 4 hours

 

[white gecko]

Last Step Product (ie wax or sealant). 4 hours is WAY too fast. I'm guessing you didn't fully remove the swirls, most likely they were filled. 4-6 passes with the PC should take you the better part of 12+ hours. And honestly if you are going to spend that much time polishing, and that many steps, its best to use a rotary which can do far superior work.

 

[imported_Jakerooni]

4 hours is WAY too fast.

Says who? Time has absoultly NOTHING to do with ones quality. I have no idea why this has become just a judging factor on here. I'm sure some people just take thier time and enjoy their day but if you have a solid technique down and do this for a living I would honestly say 4 hours??? Why the heck are you taking so long? How about we worry what this guy is doing long before we worry how long it takes him to do it? If he's got a good process down I don't see any problems with get superior results in that amount of time.

 

[white gecko]

Well if he can do a 6-step polish in 4 hours, then he just revolutionized the game. I don't think thats the case. And I'm sorry but time and quality usually go together. Just because you spend a long time on something doesn't make it quality, however its hard to get quality if you're going too fast and overlook things or your method isn't sound. Thats all I'm saying.

 

[imported_Jakerooni]

And that's what should've been said. I can agree 100% with that statement. going to fast and missing things is one thing. (and quite common I'm afraid) but saying the longer it takes the better quality it is isn't even close to being a correct statement. I mean Holden spent 9 days on a lambo and messed it completely. But 9 days does that make him the best detailer there is on these boards? I spent less than 3 hours on a clk 55 that turned out way beyond the customers expectations but only 3 hours (with interior mind you) does that make me the worst detailer on here? The answer to both is obviously no. My technique and process is IMO much better than holden's. I've never understood the "bragging" mentality on this forum when it comes to taking so long to do a detail. To me that's exactly the very opposite of what a true professinal detailer should be doing.

 

[gmblack3]

Jake, So how many straight IPA wipedowns did you do? It will take at least 3-5 to see if you really removed the defects. Now if your customers are not paying big money for a full correction then that is fine.

 

[A.P.D.]

i do have a helper for the wash and clay section. Maybe i got lucky with the right pad and polish :woot2:nothing personal i cut the extra stuff like two bucket method and get down to work i do work faster than a few years ago because i took on the dealership side of detailing( the faster the more profitable). may i ask what the 2 bucket method is all about? what does it do that clay bar not do?

 

[white gecko 99]

i do have a helper for the wash and clay section. Maybe i got lucky with the right pad and polish :woot2:nothing personal i cut the extra stuff like two bucket method and get down to work i do work faster than a few years ago because i took on the dealership side of detailing( the faster the more profitable). may i ask what the 2 bucket method is all about? what does it do that clay bar not do?

So you're going for the fast route then, quantity is what you're going for?



The two bucket method has nothing to do with claying at all. You use two buckets to wash instead of one. One bucket soapy water, the other clean water. Rinse off the mitt in the clean water before returning it to the bucket for more soap for each panel. Less likely to swirl and mar the paint.

 

[A.P.D.]

thank you for the 4-1-1 on the 2 bucket method. I use to go for quantity but after being influenced by such great detailers like the ones on this fourm i figure i can do it my self and i do relize it may take extra time or repeating steps to get it right but i do preffer quality over quantity. thanks for all the good advice

 

[imported_Jakerooni]

Jake, So how many straight IPA wipedowns did you do? It will take at least 3-5 to see if you really removed the defects. Now if your customers are not paying big money for a full correction then that is fine.

Bryan the wipedowns (which I use prep-sol wipe downs in between compounding to polish and then another one after polish to check) Are not a detection of quality. And not even close to the point I'm trying to make. A good detail is a good detail regardless of the time it takes. There's nothing wrong with taking 20 hours or more if that's what it honestly takes. But there's absoultly nothing wrong with doing it all in 4 hours either if you know how to do it. The end result is the end result. The amount of time it took shouldn't be bragged about either way. Nor should it be stressed or judged upon by others. It's pointless and holds zero value to the skills of the detailer or the result of the detail. I will very gladly put my methods and techniques up against anyone else's But just because I can do it faster dosen't make me better or worse than anyone else on here. And just because someone feels they need to take 50+hours on a detail does not in any way shape or form make them a good detailer or a master detailer. or even a bad detailer. To me the final level of detailing once you master the technique is to do what you do.... Faster. Especially if you charge customers by the hour. You should be under an ethical obligation to perform the service to the best of your ability in the absoulte fastest time possible. Otherwise your blantanly ripping your customers off. If it takes you 20 hours to do that so be it. But if you know full well you should've been done in 15 hours then why weren't you?? Do you kind of see what I'm saying here?

 

[white gecko]

thank you for the 4-1-1 on the 2 bucket method. I use to go for quantity but after being influenced by such great detailers like the ones on this fourm i figure i can do it my self and i do relize it may take extra time or repeating steps to get it right but i do preffer quality over quantity. thanks for all the good advice

If you want quality, you're gonna have to depart from the dealer style of detailing. Adopting things like the 2 bucket method is just one of MANY things that make for quality details.

i cut the extra stuff like two bucket method and get down to work

Not tryin to bust your balls, but.. you can't cut extra stuff if you truly want quality.

 

[A.P.D.]

for the record i am done with dealerships but the two bucket method will it make a differance if your correcting it anyway?

 

[white gecko]

If you are doing heavy paint correction (with a rotary and multiple steps) probably not. For basic stuff, yes it could. You are less likely to introduce new swirls that will then have to be removed, thus you are helping ensure you don't create extra work for yourself.