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wheelman76

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Can anyone fill me in on how they work with ONR on their car that's been hit by bugs and the occasional tar marks on the paint?  I've watched numerous videos online and see guys using this for mainly dusty cars at best, but not one that has been hit by bugs.  Any thoughts on using it or is it a no-no and you should hose wash it?
 
I'm no big ONR/etc. user, but I'd use the same approaches I use when dealing with bugs/tar when washing conventionally; I'd use some 1Z Anti-Inzekt to soften the bugs and/or use a gentle clay for remaining bug remains and tar.  Same challenges with either wash method- how to get the stuff off the vehicle without marring the paint or compromsing the LSP.
 
ONR can be diluted in such a way to be a QD at one ounce per 16oz of water.  It works okay but I don't use it for bugs and especially for tar.  For bugs I use one of two products - Duragloss Bug Remover or 1Z Einszett Anti-Insekt Bug Remover.  For tar I use P21S Total Auto Wash non-diluted and it does a pretty good job in most cases with minimal scrubbing.  I always put on some liquid wax/sealant after I use the TAW non-diluted as I believe it will reduce the protection of your LSP.  I just think these dedicated products do a better job at these things than an ONR concoction.

 
 
Thanks for the replies, I am seeing some value in the ONR in terms of speeding up a regularly scheduled wash.  However this seems like it'll be relegated to spring and fall when the bugs aren't such an issue.  I've got three vehicles to maintain and when you're talking full hose washes on all of them, that's quite the time suck. I'm just trying to get myself more efficient overall.
 
ONR is my go-to method. I pretreat bugs and tar ridden areas with OPC, let soak for a few minutes and gently wipe with a microfiber. If you have a pressure washer you could pretreat, then pressure wash, then perform your rinseless wash.
 
bowles1231 said:
ONR is my go-to method. I pretreat bugs and tar ridden areas with OPC, let soak for a few minutes and gently wipe with a microfiber. If you have a pressure washer you could pretreat, then pressure wash, then perform your rinseless wash.
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If I were to pressure wash then it would defeat the purpose of the ONR.... Then I might as well hose it all down and do a full wash.
 
I pre soak the bumper with APC+ 1:10 and let it dwell while I do the roof/hood/trunk on both sides. By the time I get to the bumper the bugs wipe right off.
 
While I understand where you are coming from, ONR helps me to eliminate water spots (I'm in Fl) and complete the wash faster. I generally don't have to break out my pressure washer, just giving another option.
 
Any thoughts on using it or is it a no-no and you should hose wash it?
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Sounds like a lot of people must re-LSP pretty often.


 


 
wheelman76 said:
If I were to pressure wash then it would defeat the purpose of the ONR.... Then I might as well hose it all down and do a full wash.
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 I dunno, I'd think that pressure washing (to get the "big stuff" off) would be a great precursor to an ONR wash; that's about the only way I'd want to do it.  I'd think the pressure washing would go so quickly that it'd basically just be like rinsing the car off.  But I understand that it *is* a "big production"-type of wash compared to just ONRing.
 
As shortspark mentioned Duragloss Bug Remover does a great job of removing bugs and doesn't remove durable LSPs--I just pretreat and by the time I get to the front the bugs come off with a regular ONR wash.
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-time="1383590607" data-cid="1427157" data-author="pwaug">

As shortspark mentioned Duragloss Bug Remover does a great job of removing bugs and doesn't remove durable LSPs...</blockquote>
Ah, and I bet the DuraGloss is a *LOT* less expensive than the 1Z product I'm using.
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-time="1383807220" data-cid="1427453" data-author="Alfisti">

I've tried several insect removers. Most are solvent or surfactant based. I find they compromise LSP and work less than ideally..</blockquote>
You ever try the 1Z product? It worked OK for me and didn't compromise the LSPs (M16, FK1000P, 476S).
 
wheelman76 said:
If I were to pressure wash then it would defeat the purpose of the ONR.... Then I might as well hose it all down and do a full wash.
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No need to pressure wash, OPC is fully compatible with ONR in that it won't cause ONR to suds or cause it to lose its slickness. Just save the front end for last if it makes you feel better, spray down with OPC diluted 3:1, let dwell 30-60 seconds, then wash with ONR. You'll be amazed how quickly the bugs come off. 
 
No I haven't, but have used it's German cousin by Sonax. Works ok but not as good as the 3D product. Have you tried it? I haven't read of anyone trying it, which is surprising considering how good it is.
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-time="1383920237" data-cid="1427689" data-author="Alfisti">

No I haven't, but have used it's German cousin by Sonax. Works ok but not as good as the 3D product. Have you tried it? I haven't read of anyone trying it, which is surprising considering how good it is.</blockquote>
No, I never tried any such stuff other than the 1Z, but I'll keep it in mind. Though at the rate I'm using the 1Z it oughta last me about four or five more years, if not a lot longer.
 
IHA Mark said:
I pre soak the bumper with APC+ 1:10 and let it dwell while I do the roof/hood/trunk on both sides. By the time I get to the bumper the bugs wipe right off.
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Any effect to wax, or do you have to re-wax after doing this?
 
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