ONR and Opticlean Question

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spiroh

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Does Klasse protect without SG? Or is it necessary to have SG in order for it to protect the paint?



Spiro
 
Klasse AIO will work fine as a quick step, it will clean the paint up nicely and give it a nice shine all on its own without KSG. HOWever, if you want better results and protection, pop some layer(s) of SG on there as well.
 
Yes, yes, and yes. There are some members here who are satisfied with Klasse AIO by itself. However, most here will agree that it just makes sense to give the Klasse Sealant Glaze a try. It is great stuff and will improve the protection and overall shine of your car. Laters
 
First off, correct me if I am wrong, I was under the impression that 95 % of the reason why we have Klasse AIO is to clean the paint.



Even if the AIO does add shine, after two layers of the Glaze, the shine is alot better.
 
Klasse SG looks awesome when used over AIO. Really adds a nice "pop" to the finish. I highly recommend this if you want your car to look the best.
 
Let's not get started on the Blitz :bounce



That stuff just makes the paint (my chevy red) look all warm and fuzzy. Sometimes I want to hug my car but I can't take the risk of inducing a swirl.
 
Don, I could have sworn I wrote the exact same response like 3 weeks ago. Anyways, I'm a proponent of using AIO for the only protection. If you choose to use AIO should should follow sort of adjust your application method. 2xAIO on one day, then 24 hour cure, then 2xAIO another day is a knockout combo. Great shine and protection for up to 6 months for garage queens.:up
 
1. If you feel a 24 hour cure is required then how come you only recommend it after every 2 coats? Wouldn't it make sense that if a product needed to cure, than you should allow it to between every coat?



2. AIO is a one step cleaner type product. It strips itself and kind of reapplies itself. What are you gaining by applying 4 coats of it back to back? If the surface is that neglected, I think a claying, would be a safer way to smooth out the surface than 4 applications of abrasives. I would think one would have better results if they spaced applications out 1-2 months, apply AIO x 1, and then SG x as many as they wish.



3. 6 months on a garage queen? Well, I hope so! Because IHG will last 6 months on a garage queen if it is not washed!
 
Why would you apply 4 coats of something to save yourself the trouble of 2 products? It's just as much trouble for a lesser result IMHO.



SG will protect as much as or more than AIO and will also add shine to the car. SG alone will also work on the car, if you're only getting a partial layer of AIO each time, why not just use SG for simplicity or use SG also?
 
You can apply AIO in a layering sense, where you just sort of lay the stuff on, but you can also apply it in a cleaning working it in sense too. Depending on what you want it to do. Like with SG you keep on doing it as you see fit. With AIO you can do the same as the 3rd and 4th layer definately does look better than the 1st and 2nd. If it doesn't look any better with each coat on your particular vehicle then that's the time to stop.



Doing multiple layers of AIO is not similar as doing multiple times of clay, IMO. If you're going get clay then you might as well get SG.



The question was if AIO protects and the answer is yes. Give some time for the acrylic to cure and lay it on and you can layer it to a point to where protection and shine is enhanced with multple coats.



Many people redo their cars way before their waxes technically fail.
 
you guys are funny, haha. let's take my favorite 5 year old sister's white RAV4 for example. I washed her car with regular car wash and then Dawn. They I did 2 work ins of AIO. The first work in took out all the black dirt (whatever it was, but it didn't come off in the car wash soap). It came right off. The second work in sorta did more to smooth out the paint. It looked okay. Two weeks later, we washed again, applied another coat of AIO let it dry for an hour, buffed it off and applied another coat. By the second coat (4 of 4 total) it look way better. It look similar to first or second coat of SG. So make your speculations of what happened either way. My belief is that AIO does both because yeah, it can do both. All of us here don't buy into claims, we buy into what works. So find a way for you and work it. That's just a way I found to work great on my sisters RAV and yes she tells all her coworkers and is a Klasse convert. At dinner the other day with her friends she was ranting and raving about Klasse, she doesn't even know what it is and calls it a wax. She helped applied it BTW, she didn't stick me with the whole job. She's cool (and single btw ;))



The point is (as her car looks great and she commutes 60 miles a day, 5 days a week with this one car) that it is holding up and it still looks shiny (and beads BTW) and is very white.
 
So using AIO a second time will not remove the protection given from the first application? Doesn't AIO have some abrasives and cleaners?
 
AIO does strip AIO, and it is basically reapplying itself. You have heard that muliple applications make the paint smoother. Well, what you are seeing is the continuous abrading of the surface. This is making it smoother, not a layer of sealant.



I personally would rather use a clay bar to make to smooth (safer), and go right to SG on a new car.



Use your own judgements....
 
If 4 hand applications of a cleaner/abrasive product was required to prep the surface to a nice smooth gloss, it might have been better to use one application of something stronger and then 1 application of something mild like PPCL or AIO. Just thinking out loud.....



BTW, AIO does have some mild abrasives and a good amount of cleaning solvents. Not a bad thing. :) Just means it can't be layered.
 
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<strong class='bbc'>AIO does strip AIO, and it is basically reapplying itself. You have heard that muliple applications make the paint smoother. Well, what you are seeing is the continuous abrading of the surface. This is making it smoother, not a layer of sealant.
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That's what I thought! I'm not familiar with Klasse products, which is why I'm asking. I am, however, planning on purchasing some soon, and for that reason, I wanted to know what kind of application process was neccessary for my faded Bimmer. Thanks, Detailking.
 
The purpose of using multiple coats of AIO was for simplicity (and value). There are many things to use besides 4 coats of AIO, that would provide a much better outcome. That's the simplicity of Klasse and that's why they call it All in One. I guess I'm the only one who thinks, All in One does layer to a point. If I would have let's say clayed her car then AIO'd it once, I don't think it would look as well nor protect as long.



Anyways, following the "theroetical" single coat of AIO is lasting all winter long. I'll take that as well because if "one coat" of AIO can last all winter long then it definately outlasts all other single coat selants or wax systems out there.



Like we have all been saying, it's best to try it out for yourself.
 
Oh no way, I checked tacscar just now and tim's got 10 oz of AIO for sale for $13. Very good deal. If newbies are looking for simple protection and shine, this is a good deal.
 
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