Older Mercedes needs help

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Hi all,



I recently found this forum (about two days ago) and I can't believe the amount of information that is available.



Recently, I purchased a new truck. At that time, the dealer wanted to sell me a "FinalSeal Paint Protection". This was an extra $480. They say once it is applied I'll never need to wax my truck again. I refused the dealer's offer. I figured most of the cost is the labor work involved. I know I can do this myself, all I need to know is what stuff they use for the paint protection.



My neighbor says he is going to give me some wax/sealent stuff. He says it is designed to be used for airplanes. It has telfon in it. He claims this stuff would last about a year each time it is applied. He also says it has very little or no resistance against wind, it protects the paint and provides at great shine.



I see there are hundreds of products with thousands of testimonials. What should I be looking for?



The local auto shop sells a clear coat sealant wax called TR-3. Is this stuff any good?



From what I gather in this forum, I should take a closer look at Liquid Glass, Klasse, Zaino, etc...but how do I know what would work best?
 
Stick with a quality synthetic polymer system. You did the right thing by turning down that paint protectant package! Those packages are all scams and are almost 100% profit for the dealer. No system can last over a year, I don't care what it is.



I don't know what your friend is referring to, but teflon serves no purpose in a paint protection system. It is a marketing ploy, and is impossible to bond itself to your paint at ambient temperatures. Don't take my word for it check this out.......



To point to some concrete evidence regarding Teflon. This comes from Professional Carwashing & Detailing magazine,

January, 1989, page 110



A direct quote:



My conclusion is based on the information I have gathered in the past year from representatives, lab technicians and chemists

from many leading car care product companies, including DuPont, the maker of Teflon. According to G.R. Ansul of DuPont's

Car Care Products Division, "The addition of a Teflon fluoropolymer resin does nothing to enhance the properties of a car wax.

We have no data that indicates the use of Teflon fluorpolymer resins is beneficial in car waxes, and we have not seen data

from other people that supports this position."

Ansul also notes that, "Unless Teflon is applied at 700 degrees F (371 degrees C), it is not a viable ingredient, and it is 100

percent useless in protecting the paint's finish."



So my advice to you is to review posts on KLASSE on this forum an/or check out zainobros.com for all you need to know
 
First of all, it sounds like you want to apply sealant only as infrequently as possible. Therefore, you need to go with a synthetic polymer-based sealant. For this Klasse Twins and Zaino are popular here and will give you around 6 months protection from just one or two coats. There is some new stuff coming out very soon that may work well for you also. Liquid Glass is OK but is old technology. Klasse is getting long-in-the-tooth also but is very highly recommended by senior member here. Zaino has been around several years and I use it myself.



Teflon as an ingredient in sealant products is, from what I have read here, all but worthless. That is because telfon must be sintered onto a finish to protect. Just adding little particles of teflon in solution and allowing them to dry on the surface doesn't cut it.
 
Some products to consider that have long lasting polymers:



Zaino(zainobros.com)

Blackfire(available in November at properautocare.com)

Klasse(Klasse All-in-One, Sealant Glaze)

Autoglym(Super Resin Polish, Extra Gloss Protection)

Meguiars #20 Polymer Sealant

Liquid Glass

FinishFirst

Auto International O.E.M. One Step Polymer Sealant(autoint.com)

NuFinish(Decent product if you do not have or want to spend over $10).
 
Welcome to the forum. :)



You were smart in refusing the dealer paint protection. They are way overpriced and they don't provide the protection that they claim they do. They are nothing but a cash cow for the dealer. You can seal and protect your truck yourself for much less money, and you get the satisfaction of doing it yourself.



As DETAILKING said, Teflon in car care products is a total ploy. Most who really know car stuff know this, but some companies put teflon in their products so they can put it on the label and make you think you are getting something that you are not. Teflon can be wiped on the surface of your car, but it will not bond. It must be bonded at a very high temp, like around 700 degrees. If you applied Teflon correctly to your car so that it would bond, it would be on fire!! So since it does not bond to the paint, it does not serve any purpose for protecting your trucks finish.



Search the archives for "Klasse" and "Zaino". They are both sealants that many of us use here. They are both very high quality products, and they are cheaper than that garbage from the dealer. They will both last 6 months easily with no problem.



Good Luck!!
 
check out the sponsor site under product lines... lots of marketing but Blackfire still sounds very promising...



Steve
 
I personaly cant wait to try out Blackfire and hope the prices arent those of Pinnacle (which, since they are going to be sold in house, shouldnt be). Not only will it simplify things by not having to pot wax ontop and having little cure times, but it looks pretty good. Looks similar to zaino with that very bright clear look, but also has something that zaino can lack at times, depth. Bot seem kinda similar in the looks catigory, but the blackfire seems (never used zaino) eisier to use and since it cure in under 30 min, and can be layered easier than zaino (w/out the FZX or whatever the new catalyst ingredient is). So if the prices are right i will eefinately try out the Polish, Portectant, and QD asap and post the results for all.
 
Hello all. I have a maroon 91 Mercedes 560 sel, and the rubber part of the front and rear bumpers need a little help to look fresh again. What have you done, or do you have any tips to restore the deep fresh looking color to these bumpers? Also, the chrome trim ( i know it is not really chrome, but thats the best word I can use to describe it) around the windshield, windows and back glass looks cloudy and dull. I have heard that there is nothing you can do but replace it. Has anyone here ever had any luck pollishing this type on metal? Thank you all!
 
kmcbride22 said:
Hello all. I have a maroon 91 Mercedes 560 sel, and the rubber part of the front and rear bumpers need a little help to look fresh again. What have you done, or do you have any tips to restore the deep fresh looking color to these bumpers? Also, the chrome trim ( i know it is not really chrome, but thats the best word I can use to describe it) around the windshield, windows and back glass looks cloudy and dull. I have heard that there is nothing you can do but replace it. Has anyone here ever had any luck pollishing this type on metal? Thank you all!
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This rubber bumper you speak of...Is this area painted the same color as your car?

As for the metal trim...xtreeme metal polish is what I use. Proper Auto Care also carries a metal polish that from what I have seen looks awesome.

It will be very time consuming though
 
Yes, I am reffering to the part that is painted the same color as the car. It may not be rubber, but thats the kind of feel it has.
 
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