No automaker is infallible

JohnHenry said:
Hate when that happens to my Honda, but I just kick-start it.
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JohnHenry, I think you've got your Honda models cornfused. :D
Speaking of, coming from the days of kick starting a couple of Triumphs, which if you didn't watch out, the kick starter could give you a solid whack to the back of the calf :redface:, doesn't the electric start feature on the bikes of today take a little something away from the "cool factor"?
 
Mr. Clean said:
JohnHenry, I think you've got your Honda models cornfused. :D
Speaking of, coming from the days of kick starting a couple of Triumphs, which if you didn't watch out, the kick starter could give you a solid whack to the back of the calf :redface:, doesn't the electric start feature on the bikes of today take a little something away from the "cool factor"?
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I always loved watching one of those old Harley's launch the rider over the handel bars when he forgot to retard the timing
 
black bart said:
The Honda recall is for a 7 year old car Chrysler can't build one that will last that long no need to recall it from the scrap yard. :rofl
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Actually, our Chrysler product (from the Iaccoca heyday era) lasted 7 years. But the paint didn't, nor did the engine or transmission w/o costly repairs. :(
 
Mr. Clean said:
Actually, our Chrysler product (from the Iaccoca heyday era) lasted 7 years. But the paint didn't, nor did the engine or transmission w/o costly repairs. :(
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That sounds about right.

The Link that Bunky sites is for the largest number of vehicles in a recall that would be just 1 recall of a large number of cars.

I guess what he is saying is if you built 199 million and had one recall on all of them that is worse than building 100 million and recalling all of those 100 times for defects.

If you were the owner of the one with the large number of recalls you may see it a little different.
 
I have owned many Chrysler products. My 97 Dakota has 85K or so but has had problems: A/C (at least 3x), rear end $$$, paint $$$, front ball joints.

We also have a 2001 Sebring with 100K. It just had AC, oil pressure switch, and electronic issues (doors will not lock or unlock at times,etc) plus a mouse made a home in the A/C blower.
 
Jodaddy said:
buy domestic, that way if we die atleast it was american
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It's this kind of thinking.... you know what - sometimes it's better just to not try and educate. Check out the assembly points and parts content of vehicles and you tell me which ones are "'Murican" before you blindly start waving that patriotic flag that was made in China.
 
JaredPointer said:
It's this kind of thinking.... you know what - sometimes it's better just to not try and educate. Check out the assembly points and parts content of vehicles and you tell me which ones are "'Murican" before you blindly start waving that patriotic flag that was made in China.
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- Cars.com
But this does not take into consideration of where the profits go too and did the profits generate revenue for this country or another one.
 
black bart said:
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- Cars.com
But this does not take into consideration of where the profits go too and did the profits generate revenue for this country or another one.
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Where, exactly, do you think the profits go for "domestic" manufacturers? A large majority of it goes into the pockets of the CEO's that we all love to hate. The same guys that run a 100 year old company into bankruptcy, get bailed out by the US taxpayers, and then invest the bailout money into Mexican plants all while taking the profits they should be reinvesting into the company and instead paying themselves large bonuses and new private luxury jets to use to fly to Washington to beg the government for money.

You can say what you want about 'where the profits go,' but probably the biggest factor in auto manufacturers helping the economy - at least at the level you and I are most likely to see - is employing American workers, who in turn spend that money here, in our local and national economy. And couple that with the fact that when you're not making a profit at all - for consecutive reporting periods - there's no "profit" going anywhere.

Not exactly what I was trying to imply with my earlier post, but just because something has GM or Chrysler or Ford on it doesn't necessarily make it any more "American" than a Hyundai built in Montgomery, Alabama, or a Toyota built in Texas using 50%+ American supplied parts and American labor. I'm good with profits of Toyota and Honda going to Japan because they seem interested in reinvesting those profits here in the US whereas some other companies apparently don't.

So yeah - buy 'American' based on the logo and all....

I work for a foreign owned company, and if you don't think by the company being profitable that it doesn't help the economy in the US (even at a small localized level), you're wrong.

That is a good article though, especially the part that barely touched on globalization. I think as a nation/economy, we have a lot of adjusting to do in regard to figuring out how to compete on a global level for other-than-service type areas. Either that, or we face the risk of being a nation totally dependent on others for our manufacturing needs. So there is a fine line when it comes to buying stuff that's "made in America."
 
And I also might be wrong about this - but I think manufacturers can claim "domestic content" if built in Canada. It might also pertain to Mexico as well since I think this *might* be a stipulation having to do with the NAFTA agreement. I wouldn't believe me on this without doing some fact-checking though.

My point being here is that it would be easy to "fudge" the domestic parts percentage if this is true.
 
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