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Pullar

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Hey all. I've been reading for a little over a week now and have found that answers to many of my questions, but still have a few.

So here goes. Not looking to do this professionally but just to take better care of our personal vehicles. I'm getting tired of doing everything by hand and thus started looking for something a but better. The wife just got a new kia sorrento Dark cherry metalic, and I have a med to dark grey Niassn frontier crew cab. As our vehicles have gotten larger it takes much more time to wash and wax. My truck has some very light swirls.

I've decided on the GG 6" I'm not looking to do any major paint correction yet as I've never use a DA before. I'd like to work my way up to that as i become more comfortable and better skilled. I was thinking of using the Klasse AIO then topped with collinite 476s or 845 that will be one of the questions. I've also read that i should use flat pads over the dimmpled ones.



Ok I'm thinking I'll need some LC flat white 5.5" polishing pads for the AIO Was thinking 3 would do it but not sure ( at least for wifes new car)

Also LC flat black 5.5 finishing pads again 3 i think or should i go blue finessing?

With my truck having some very light swirls should i use the LC flat orange with the AIO or with the white work

Should i top off with the liquid or paste collinite? I usually use paste by hand but have never used collinite products. Have heard 476 can be difficult. Being a newbie to the Da should i start with the liquid?

Also I was thing of using a riccardo 5.5 MF bonnet to remove the collinite, what pad should i get as a support base?

Please let me know if i'm on track for what i have planned or if I'll need more/ different pads.

Thanks in adavance

Ryan

P.s. products to come from eshine once they get the GG 6" back in stock, I live pretty close to them
 
It sounds like you are looking for less work than more. KAIO has its place, but you are wasting your time using it for paint. You'll be much better served just using DG105 or 501. 501 has stronger cleaners, 105 looks a bit glossier, both last as long as Collinite, both have cleaners that will work well. KAIO also has no correction ability, none.

The Collinites are great, but they aren't time savers. Either of the Duragloss products will be as durable, if not more.



As far as correction goes, you'll need something considerably stronger than a light AIO like 105 or 501. I really love HD Polish and UNO. Optimum's polishes are also very newbie friendly. Megs 105/205 is a great combo, but it is not newbie friendly and the source of frustration even for seasoned detailers.



Also, I'd forget about using the DA to remove wax, it's more work than doing it by hand. If time really is an issue, Optiseal can't be beat.
 
Pullar said:
Hey all. I've been reading for a little over a week now and have found that answers to many of my questions, but still have a few....
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Welcome to Autopia! Compare my responses to those of my pal Dan.





I've decided on the GG 6" I'm not looking to do any major paint correction yet as I've never use a DA before. I'd like to work my way up to that as i become more comfortable and better skilled.
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Within minutes of starting with the GG your fears will be put to rest. No need to "work up" to paint correction or to worry about developing skills. It's pretty much just a "fast hand that doesn't get tired".



I was thinking of using the Klasse AIO then topped with collinite 476s or 845 that will be one of the questions. I've also read that i should use flat pads over the dimmpled ones.
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As Dan said, KAIO isn't really enough for what you're doing. Use some other AIO that has a bit more oomph to it, maybe HD Speed.



Ok I'm thinking I'll need some LC flat white 5.5" polishing pads for the AIO
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You might want to just stick with the 6" pads the machine is already set up for. IMO the Griot's polishing pads work well with AIOs.





Also LC flat black 5.5 finishing pads again 3 i think or should i go blue finessing?
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Either/or. Don't get caught up in the minor diffs between the various gentle pads. For waxing, the red Griot's pads work great.



With my truck having some very light swirls should i use the LC flat orange with the AIO or with the white work
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To remove any marring you'll need something more potent than the KAIO and if you use an orange LC pad you'll almost certainly need to follow it with some product on a more gentle pad.



Polishing out marring is, IMO, best done with a dedicated polish and not with an AIO. 3D's stuff is *VERY* user-friendly and effective (we're not just saying that because of their involvement with this site). You could quite possibly get by just fine with only the Uno topped with Collinite.



Should i top off with the liquid or paste collinite? I usually use paste by hand but have never used collinite products. Have heard 476 can be difficult. Being a newbie to the Da should i start with the liquid?
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Either/or. Both are good and I never found the 476S to be hard to use at all. But the 845 can go on trim too, so it's easier in that regard as well as the "liqids are easier than pastes".



If getting it on trim isn't an issue, just use the 476S and do it by hand.





I was thing of using a riccardo 5.5 MF bonnet to remove the collinite, what pad should i get as a support base?
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I use cutting pads (pretty firm) for use under MF bonnets, but I'd just do it by hand. You almost always have to go over it a little by hand anyhow as the MF bonnets never seem to get all the wax off.



It's simple enough to just wax by hand, both on and off.
 
"Megs 105/205 is a great combo, but it is not newbie friendly and the source of frustration even for seasoned detailers." and yet for the most part that is what is recommended by so many people on most forums. I am thankful that I didn't listen to the advice of so many people when I was getting started a few months ago--I chose 3D products and haven't had the disappointments and problems of many beginners to machine polishing.
 
Thanks all for the advice. The 3D products look great and have been getting tons of really good reviews. The only catch I have is being in Canada. I've dealt with shipping stuff from the U.S. before and customs/brokerage fees can be killer. My sister in laws has family just over the boarder though and I could probably shipp there. I'd also thought about using the GG pads but it doesn't look like eshine carries those. But if I can ship to the U.S. and go pick it up should i just get HD pads as well then, and if so which ones. I've seen some pics of cars with HD Poxy one them and they look great. How is the durability of HD Poxy. Want to get cars ready for winter. Oh and its not just a time thing, the bigest reason for the DA is a rotator cuff issue. The larger vehicles are making me pay afterwards.
 
Don't get hung up on pad brands. Like I mentioned, Optimum is newbie friendly, also Meg's OTC 105/205 versions are more friendly, Ultimate Polish and Compound.



Poxy looks amazing, but the durability isn't great, you have to step up to Nitroseal to get that. I would consider other products for extended use.
 
pwaug said:
"Megs 105/205 is a great combo, but it is not newbie friendly and the source of frustration even for seasoned detailers." and yet for the most part that is what is recommended by so many people on most forums. I am thankful that I didn't listen to the advice of so many people when I was getting started a few months ago--I chose 3D products and haven't had the disappointments and problems of many beginners to machine polishing.
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M105 was primarily designed for use on recently applied or relatively new paint, used in conjunction with a rotary buffer and wool pad.

Used by professional paint renovation experts, and is definitely not suitable for neophyte or inexperienced detailer’s. It should not be considered as a panacea to eradicate all types of paint surface scratches (always use the least abrasive product first before moving up the abrasive scale)
 
Thanks all for the quick replies and for the information that was provided. I checked with my sister in law and could send products to here families place without any problems, and they are close to where I would regularly go shopping.

I’ve also checked out the optimum polish II as well as the HD polish. Both seem to get some pretty good reviews. The optimum I can get locally and HD would need to be shipped to in laws family.

After factoring in shipping cost the optimum would be just under half the cost of the HD polish. Which leads to a new question.

How does the HD polish compare to the Optimum II polish? Is it worth almost double?

I couldn’t find any direct comparisons of the 2 products, and given the many reviews that I read of both I might give the HD a slight edge but would love to hear from those that have used both.

Thanks again

Ryan
 
I like the HD Polish more than the Optimum but you will likely need to get the compound if the polish doesn't cut enough for you, then you are back to square one. I'd go with the locally available (and hopefully supported) option. If you have a local dealer, I'd swing by, have them look at your paint and formulate a plan with you.
 
I would also try what you have locally available and see how that works out for you before ordering anything online. I wish more products were available locally.
 
Thanks again guys. It looks like a trip to eshine is in my near future. I've heard great things about them. Just need to wait for them to get the GG 6" back in stock.

Again you have all been very helpful.
 
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