Need single stage paint finishing advice

Valinote

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Hi, guys. I have a Performance White colored 2004 Mercury Grand Marquis GS that I inherited from my father-in-law when he passed about 6 months ago. The car was garage kept and only has 22k miles on it since he was ill for quite some time and didn't drive it much. The car was in perfect condition except for some damage to the bumpers that occurred when it was parked (it's from Long Island where parking is at a premium). The plastic front and rear bumpers both had spider cracks and some small dings mostly on the corners where another car(s) bumper obviously ran up or under the Mercury's bumpers overflexing the facia and cracking the paint and plastic in multiple areas.

I wetsanded the spidered the affected areas with 400 grit which took it down through the primer and down to bare plastic in most places. I filled and sanded any dings or pockmarks with spot putty and primed anywhere there was exposed plastic or putty. By the time I was done it was obvious that there it would be easiest to paint both bumpers in their entirety than just the damaged areas.

Overall the car has a typical modern 2 part base/clear paint job. Unfortunately, since I was doing this on a budget, I couldn't afford to go that route. So my local paint jobber suggested a single stage paint system: BASF Limco 1 synthetic enamel with Limco LH130 reducer/hardener. Also, I don't have an automotive paint gun, so I used my Iwata airbrush with the largest needle, which is 0.5mm. The tech sheet suggested a 4:1 mix ratio, but that was for a typical auto paint gun. The jobber recommended using a 2:1 ratio, but after some experimenting with different air pressures and mixture ratios I found that 1:1 at 40 psi worked the best. So, although it took forever with the airbrush, I now have both bumpers painted. The paint provided by the jobber was a perfect match, and I'm glad I went to him instead of to an Autozone or Pep Boys.

The quality of the finish is not too bad considering the equipment used and the fact that I was doing this in the entrance to my garage. There is some orange peel and a few paint blobs that burped out of the airbrush if I sprayed for too long without running some thinner through it to clear it. Also, there were some little black knats that seemed to have an affinity for wet white paint. I found it did less damage to just paint over them than to try to pick them out.

Anyway, so here I am with both bumpers painted and no clue how to finish them. Do I wet sand or compound/polish or both? I have a Makita 9227C rotary buffer and an air powered DA sander/buffer with adjustable speed. I have a 3M Superbuff pad and 3M extra heavy duty rubbing compound that I use on my boat every year to remove the inevitable oxidation, but I'm sure that's too aggressive for the car. I also have some 3M Perfect-It II Finishing Material polish that I follow up the compounding with on the boat before I wax it every year.

So basically my question is: what do I have to do to the bumpers to remove and defect and finish them so they will shine like the rest of the car. I would appreciate if you could suggest any specific products I need to get or procedures I need to follow to get the best results. I have various wet/dry 3M sandpapers up to 2000 grit, but that might not be fine enough. Also, I probably need to buy some polishing pads for my DA or rotary. And I don't know what polish/glaze/whatever would be best to use with a specific pad.

Any advice you can provide would be kindly appreciated. Sincerely,

-Steve D
 
So basically my question is: what do I have to do to the bumpers to remove and defect and finish them so they will shine like the rest of the car. I would appreciate if you could suggest any specific products I need to get or procedures I need to follow to get the best results. I have various wet/dry 3M sandpapers up to 2000 grit, but that might not be fine enough. Also, I probably need to buy some polishing pads for my DA or rotary. And I don't know what polish/glaze/whatever would be best to use with a specific pad.

Any advice you can provide would be kindly appreciated. Sincerely,

-Steve D

First welcome to Autopiaforums Steve!

First you will need to sand the imperfections down with a coarser grit paper such as 1500. Then I would follow by sanding the whole bumper with a fine grade paper like 2500.

For hand papers Meguiar's makes an excellent Unigrit sheet that really does finish great.
Meguiars 1500 Grit Sand Paper 25 Sheets
Meguiars 2500 Grit Sand Paper 25 Sheets

Next you will need to cut/compound the paint. I would go with Meguiars M105 Ultra Cut Compound. I am not sure what size pads you are using with your Makita but I like smaller pads/backing plate.

For Meguiars M105, I would recommend starting with a Lake Country Purple Foamed Wool Pad at first to remove the sanding marks.

Then follow with Meguiars M105 on a 6.5 inch Hi-Gloss CCS White Polishing Pad

Finally, finish with Menzerna SF4000 on a 6.5 inch Hi-Gloss CCS Black Finishing Pad.

Meguiar's Ultra Cut Compound M105
Menzerna PO106FA Super Finish A high gloss finishing solution

Flex-Foam HD Rotary Backing Plate, 6 inches

Foamed Wool 6.5 x 1 Thick Polishing / Buffing Pad
Hi-GlossCCS White 6.5 Inch Polishing Pad
Hi-Gloss CCS Black 6.5 Inch Glazing Pad
 
First welcome to Autopiaforums Steve!

First you will need to sand the imperfections down with a coarser grit paper such as 1500. Then I would follow by sanding the whole bumper with a fine grade paper like 2500.

For hand papers Meguiar's makes an excellent Unigrit sheet that really does finish great.
Meguiars 1500 Grit Sand Paper 25 Sheets
Meguiars 2500 Grit Sand Paper 25 Sheets

Next you will need to cut/compound the paint. I would go with Meguiars M105 Ultra Cut Compound. I am not sure what size pads you are using with your Makita but I like smaller pads/backing plate.

For Meguiars M105, I would recommend starting with a Lake Country Purple Foamed Wool Pad at first to remove the sanding marks.

Then follow with Meguiars M105 on a 6.5 inch Hi-Gloss CCS White Polishing Pad

Finally, finish with Menzerna SF4000 on a 6.5 inch Hi-Gloss CCS Black Finishing Pad.

Meguiar's Ultra Cut Compound M105
Menzerna PO106FA Super Finish A high gloss finishing solution

Flex-Foam HD Rotary Backing Plate, 6 inches

Foamed Wool 6.5 x 1 Thick Polishing / Buffing Pad
Hi-GlossCCS White 6.5 Inch Polishing Pad
Hi-Gloss CCS Black 6.5 Inch Glazing Pad

Todd is right on the money with this but how long ago did you paint the bumper? I'm assuming you didn't bake the finish so you want to let it harden/settle for at least 2 weeks(and thats kinda to soon) Also being that it is unbaked I'd be really carefull using a foamy wool pad. I've seen them tear unbaked finishes
 
I would only add..be careful on how much material you remove. At .5 your volume is just over 1/3 that of a regular gun (ie. 1.4 on my Iwata).
You are not putting on as much per coat because of atomization and volume. An airbrush also will atomize the paint further. This is unless you did around 20 coats.

You may also get some die back due to a 1:1 ratio and rapid flash times.
 
Guys, thank you all for the quick replies!

Regarding Todd's comments...

First you will need to sand the imperfections down with a coarser grit paper such as 1500. Then I would follow by sanding the whole bumper with a fine grade paper like 2500.

For hand papers Meguiar's makes an excellent Unigrit sheet that really does finish great.
Meguiars 1500 Grit Sand Paper 25 Sheets
Meguiars 2500 Grit Sand Paper 25 Sheets

So you would suggest doing the sanding by hand rather than with the DA?

Next you will need to cut/compound the paint. I would go with Meguiars M105 Ultra Cut Compound. I am not sure what size pads you are using with your Makita but I like smaller pads/backing plate.

For Meguiars M105, I would recommend starting with a Lake Country Purple Foamed Wool Pad at first to remove the sanding marks.

Then follow with Meguiars M105 on a 6.5 inch Hi-Gloss CCS White Polishing Pad

The Makita rotary came with a hard plastic non-flexible 6-1/2" hook & loop backing plate. The DA has a softer more flexible 6" h&l backing plate. All of my experience sanding/compounding/polishing has been on boats, where the gelcoat is much more forgiving than the paint on a car. So considering my lack of automotive paint experience, which tool do you think would work best in this application and provide the least opportunity for me to screw something up? If the paint is potentially on the thinnish side as John suggested later in this post, wouldn't I be better off using the DA?

Also, (since I'm working on a budget) I have a couple questions that might save me some $ if possible: Is the Meguiars M105 equivalent to the 3M 05954 Super Duty Rubbing Compound that I already have? Also, is the Lake Country Purple Foamed Wool Pad similar to my double-sided heavy cut 9" 3M Superbuff 05704 Wool Buffing Pad?

Then follow with Meguiars M105 on a 6.5 inch Hi-Gloss CCS White Polishing Pad

Finally, finish with Menzerna SF4000 on a 6.5 inch Hi-Gloss CCS Black Finishing Pad.

I don't currently have much in the way of polishing pads, so I will pick up the CCS White and Black pads as per your suggestions. Same question regarding the weapon of choice for these steps; should I use the rotary or (considering my lack of experience) is it safer to use the DA. One more budget question: How does the Menzema SF4000 compare to the 3M 05928 Perfect-it II Finishing Material that I currently have on my shelf?

Regarding Smooth's comments...

...how long ago did you paint the bumper? I'm assuming you didn't bake the finish so you want to let it harden/settle for at least 2 weeks(and thats kinda to soon) Also being that it is unbaked I'd be really careful using a foamy wool pad. I've seen them tear unbaked finishes

The paint jobber recommended waiting a month for the single stage BASF Limco 1 to get hard enough to work with! But that was based on the 4:1 paint/reducer-catalyst ratio recommended in the tech sheet. But since I had to mix a 1:1 raio to get it to flow reliably through my airbrush with the 0.5mm needle, the paint seems rock hard already after just a few days. But I'm not in a rush to finish this, so I'll wait a couple weeks before I test sand in an innocuous spot..

And from John...

I would only add..be careful on how much material you remove. At .5 your volume is just over 1/3 that of a regular gun (ie. 1.4 on my Iwata).
You are not putting on as much per coat because of atomization and volume. An airbrush also will atomize the paint further. This is unless you did around 20 coats.

You may also get some die back due to a 1:1 ratio and rapid flash times

The gravity feed reservoir on the airbrush only holds 1/3 oz. I spent about 6 hours spraying on each bumper over 2 days, only stopping to reload the brush or clean it when the nozzle started to get gloppy. I have no idea how many actual coats I applied, but it was a lot; and I wouldn't be surprised if in the end it was 20 or more. But I will heed your warning and keep a close watch and a light touch when sanding/polishing. I'm not exactly sure what "die back" is, but from what I've read on the web it seems to occur because of trapped solvents evaporating during sanding or polishing. But if I wait a few weeks before I finish the bumpers that shouldn't be an issue; is that correct?

Thanks to everyone for all the great info. Being a nooby at auto painting I really appreciate (and need) your expertise. I will also need some pointers on the best was to cut the transition of the new single stage paint into the rest of the car which is the typical OEM 2 part base/clear. When prepping the car I was careful to curl up the masking tape to prevent hard lines in any spots where the paint transitions from new to old. Kindest regards to all...8-]

-Steve D
 
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