Need PwC help

M

Mr. Clean

The Man Who Knows The Man
Well, I committed an error in judgment and used a new (to me) product on a customer’s vehicle without first testing it. I paid for my folly by having to spend extra time cleaning up after myself. :(

The product, Poorboy's Polish with Carnauba
The problem, dusting. Not just light dusting. Dusting equal to or greater than that of Meg's DA/CP.

What happened? I first misted an ExcelDetail blue pad. I applied an "X" to the middle of the pad. I spread the polish across the surface and then began polishing at a speed of @ 4 (varying 3.5 - 4.5) on the PC. I don’t think that excessive product was the cause, nor overworking the product since it started so quickly after only 3-4 passes.

The good news to the story was that removal (except for the considerable dusting) was fast and easy and the resulting look was nice. I had (have) high hopes for this product (based on experience with many of Steve's other products), but this issue currently presents a problem for me.
 
i have never had problems with dusting of PwC. WEre you in direct sunlight. Was your pad full clean without dried product in it? Sometimes when my pads get really worn the actual pad starts shedding and I will mistake it for dusting. Can you tell us any more details about application?

Greg
 
Yep... I would also keep the speed down to 3-3.5 and don't work the product very long.
 
To answer some of the questions...

1) The pad was brand new - I don't use worn out/dirty pads with dried products on my customer's cars :huh It wasn't the pad shedding. It definitely was PwC dusting. There was enough dusting for me to get a good look.
2) Never said I misted the pad with water. I used a light spritz of S&W. I do this with many products (including polishes) without a problem. IMO it primes the pad quicker than the product alone. This (using a QD type product) is a time tested procedure for me, which serves me well.
3) The surface was in indirect sunlight, and the surface though warm was not hot. The temp was in the low 90s with probably @ 60% humidity All in all pretty standard weather for this time of year in Texas. It only gets hotter from here.
4) I wouldn't think that 3-4 passes could be considered working the product too long. :confused:

Thanks Boss, I'll try the 3-3.5 speed, but I hardly think that there is much difference between those speed and where I was running it. But then who knows. :dunno
 
I wasnt saying that i used dirty pads on cars. haha. ick. I was just thinking of possibilities. I usually like stated above work in some polish with my fingers into the pad to prime it. Please let us know how this works next time.

Greg
 
hmmmmm I've used it at higher speeds with no problem....did you shake the bottle well? also try making acircle for full coverage on your pad vs an "X" ....not sure why else this would happen:dunno
 
Poorboy said:
....did you shake the bottle well?
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Of course
Poorboy said:
....also try making acircle for full coverage on your pad vs an "X"
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I now alternate methods of product-to-pad application. I usually start with an 'X' to get product to the center of the pad. Next I'll make either a circle (rings) or "drops" around the outer areas of the pad. A better method (IMO) for full product coverage.
 
I'd also try skipping the S&W priming step. Some products work great when pads are misted with water or a QD spray; others do not. Try it each way, then decide what works better for you with PwC.
 
I just did my GF's car today with 2.5, 1 and only primed the pad with the product. I found it went on easier and did not dust as quickly. I used to prime with a QD with much less favorable results.

Mike
 
awd330, I'll give that a try also. Won't that be a kick in the pants if that is it. I'm constantly bragging on how versatile Steve's products are working with other products...and then it proves not to be compatible with one of it's own :eek FWIW it (misting w/QD or S&W) doesn't seem to bother CK's VM, or the Meg's polishes (#80 / #83), or PB's Pro Polish . DA/CP does dust, but that seems to be a universal truth. :dunno
 
Mr. Clean said:
awd330, I'll give that a try also. Won't that be a kick in the pants if that is it. I'm constantly bragging on how versatile Steve's products are working with other products...and then it proves not to be compatible with one of it's own :eek FWIW it (misting w/QD or S&W) doesn't seem to bother CK's VM, or the Meg's polishes (#80 / #83), or PB's Pro Polish . DA/CP does dust, but that seems to be a universal truth. :dunno
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I've found that the SSRs don't work as well if you wet the pads with either water or a QD spray. On the other hand, EX and EX-P need a damp pad to achieve the best results. PwC and Pro Polish seem to work for me either way (misting or not misting the pad).

Yes, you are right about DACP. It seems to dust no matter what. I don't really use that product anymore. I've replaced it with SSR2.5 in my process. VM is another very good product that I always have on hand. Meg's #80 is on my list of things to try. I used #82 for the first time today, and found it to be a very nice product.
 
Well, I don't use (or at least haven't...yet) the SSRs. With the exception of paste waxes, I can't think of a product that I don't mist the pad. Including UPP which most people don't use a dampened applicator. I hand apply AIO and it is the only product that I regularly use a water dampened applicator.

I like #80! Pretty easy to work with, and a shorter learning curve than PwC LOL. I haven't tried it in direct sun, and it isn't recommended. My hope was for PwC to give me a sun-friendly product with similar performance (maybe an equal cleaner but a lesser defect corrector) yet also can be used as a stand-alone one-step. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if it replaced VM either. The dusting has to go though. :D
 
I've used pwc at speed 1 and 6 (most of the time) never ever any dusting. That is weird. Hey, send me the bottle - I'll finish it up for you. :D
 
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