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sweetextreme

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The other day I detailed a 1978 corvette. It was all ready to go and the customer was practically begging me to drive it to him. I politely declined and instead said i would pick him up. He then said. Well ill have to get it tomorrow. I didn't think anything of it but did find it strange. The next day he came. Car looked great. He left, came back about 3 minutes later. He then told me someone busted his turn signal lever out of the steering Colum. He said someone must have messed with it when I left It outside the prior night. I informed him I left it inside and had just recently pulled it out. He then told me I had to pay for the damages and that my insurance needs to cover it ( here is we're it gets weird again) I tell him. Well I'm sure it's cheaper to fix then what my deductible is. He tells me ( no way I need a whole new steering Colum it's going to he thousands. ( how did he no this in 5 min? ) I tell him I will do some research and we will see about getting it taken care of. Then the more I read and call classic car shops I find out that this is an extremely common problem and they just fail and break inside at no fualt of the user error. 2 shops also tell me this sounds like a scam and there is no way I broke it detailing it. So what do I do? Give him a refund and tell him what I found out? Fix it? (Insurance will not cover) I'm really stumped. It seems to me he new it was broke and that's why he wanted me to drive it so he could blame me
 
Sorry this had to happen to you.
Can you remember exactly what you did when you were working on the Steering column that day you Detailed the car?
Did you put any undue pressure on the lever? Did you move it up and down and then back to center?
Did it feel weird or anything when you cleaned it ? Make any strange noises?

If the answer is no to the above, then you didnt do it.

He might have hamfisted it himself and broke it, and is now trying to blame you for it.
What a dick...

If you didnt do it, then you are not required to pay for it..

Good luck with this !
Dan F
 
To raise and lower the colom it's a smaller lever ( I new this) so I tried that and it was tight and so I left it alone. I was EXTREMLY cautious with this car. And with everything I read it seems like an EXTREMLY common problem. I think the best course of action would be a refund and am apology but ik for a fact it wasn't me? What would you guys do in my shoes?
 
That sounds really sketchy... like he tried to set you up. Especially about the driving part. I would honestly dispute it. Did you make him sign anything or do a pre-work inspection form?
 
I would think carefully before offering a refund. That could be construed as an admission of guilt. Best to consult an attorney. When he first came back you should have given it a close inspection and taken photos. Sometimes an old break can be obvious by the amount of dirt build up or wear on the exposed area, thus proving it existed for some time. Also possible he knew it was broken, glued it in place hoping you would knock it loose and could blame you.
 
I would definitely consult an attorney. Too many flags were thrown up. Him saying it would
Cost thousands could be one of two things IMO 1. He knew of this problem before and set you up or 2. He was in shock and just threw out a number. But it sounds like a set up to me. Make sure your documenting everything that's happening between the customer and you. Best of luck though. It's a shame someone would do such a thing after your pour your blood sweat and tears into a great car!
 
Well he just called me. He said can you come to my house, I said I couldn't right now and he tells me his mechanic is at his house with the steering Colum apart and I did $1500 in damage inside the steering Colum? Are you kidding me! All I did was clean it. So needless to say I told him that since he had someone already start working on it I have no way of knowing what was wrong before they started. After more back and forth he said he's taking me to court. I'm sorry but no matter were you go if I do work without approval then it's not gonna happen.
 
Time to consult a lawyer in my opinion. And print out pre-detail inspection form, especially with something to the name of you are not responsible for any damage done to the car, etc...

If he pushes it more make sure it's inspected by someone else other than "his mechanic"
 
Yep. The fact that you have not had an opportunity to have the damage properly assessed yourself before he had work begin pretty much gets you off the hook, I would think. They have to give you an opportunity to correct the damage yourself. But you should still consult an attorney. I would also inform the guy that if you are forced to defend against this you will seek damages for legal costs and lost work time.
 
Yep. The fact that you have not had an opportunity to have the damage properly assessed yourself before he had work begin pretty much gets you off the hook, I would think. They have to give you an opportunity to correct the damage yourself. But you should still consult an attorney. I would also inform the guy that if you are forced to defend against this you will seek damages for legal costs and lost work time.

Chris is right. Im pretty sure they have to give you a chance to correct it
 
I would flat put tel him, Sir I am soory to have to tell you this but I did not break your steer wheel lever. I am as carefull as i can be and If I would ever damage a customer car, I would fix it. This is a known issue on you vehicle as is evidenced by XYZ..........

for all you know it could have been anyone, including you when you signaled to pull into my drive way on the day you dropped it off.
 
I have done minor damage to a few vehicles ( bound to happen) and have pointed it out to the owner each time. Even when I accidentally uncovered a problem caused by a previous detailer and made it slightly worse I offered to take care of the repair. Fortunately every owner has been reasonable and understanding so far and I have yet to have to pay out. (I do have one that I will be fixing or replacing the part. Maximum of $80 to replace.) Should I ever find myself in a similar situation I hope that my reputation of honest and integrity will work in my favor. Each of those customers would be willing character witnesses.
 
First off if you broke it then you must pay up. If you know you didn't do it, I would tell dude to go find another sucker

If he takes you to court he has to prove you did the damage. You don't have to prove that you didn't

I would also document that this problem is quite common. Judges appreciate this kind of information

Definitely look into a vehicle inspection form prior to a detail!

Inspection Forms are worthless IMO
 
Inspection Forms are worthless IMO

Documenting damage like this PRIOR to starting work is hardly "worthless". Unfortunately there are a lot of situations where damage may not be noticeable until you are into the job. Eg: I can't see paint issues clearly on a car that is covered in mud. I have to wash the car before being able to fully evaluate it.
 
Documenting damage like this PRIOR to starting work is hardly "worthless"


What about damage you miss? If you don't document every single thing, then you are basicaly admiting guilt on paper. A perfect example is the OP's situation

OP.....When someone mentions they are going to sue you, you should welcome the oppurtunity to defend yourself in the court of law. You should also cease all communication from that point forward
 
Thank you all for your input. Right now i am just waiting for court papers (providing he goes thru with it) and getting my ducks in a row. What he did not realise is i have been going to and building show cars since i was a child. its in my family. my grandfather actually has a custom built model T with the EXACT same steering colum as his vette. Even his had this problem of failing. I have plenty of people that would be more than happy to speak on my behalf of honesty ect. once i get papers i will contact my attourney and go from there. It really sucks that this had to happen. Im the type of guy who will go bankrupt making something right. I simply did not damage this car. It also had other problems, ( windows dont roll up properly, sun visiors dont move ect) i will keep everyone updated.
 
Thank you all for your input. Right now i am just waiting for court papers (providing he goes thru with it) and getting my ducks in a row. What he did not realise is i have been going to and building show cars since i was a child. its in my family. my grandfather actually has a custom built model T with the EXACT same steering colum as his vette. Even his had this problem of failing. I have plenty of people that would be more than happy to speak on my behalf of honesty ect. once i get papers i will contact my attourney and go from there. It really sucks that this had to happen. Im the type of guy who will go bankrupt making something right. I simply did not damage this car. It also had other problems, ( windows dont roll up properly, sun visiors dont move ect) i will keep everyone updated.

Another thing you should do is check a Chilton's (or something simular) manual and see how much time they say it would require to R&R a steering column on a 78 Vette. I wouldn't imagine more then 2 or 3 hours tops. $1,500.00 sounds like a number he pulled out of his backside :crazy2:

Yes, keep us updated please :popcorn
 
just an update, today i got a letter from the better business bureau stating they had a complaint againsnt me. below i will post word for word what he told them, as well as the response i faxed them. now i sit and wait to see how it proceeds. my lawyer tells me i dont have anything to worry about.

Complantant: " Walter sanders owner detailed my car he broke my turn signal switch on my 1978 chevy corvette. At first he said that he would fix it. Now he tells me to go jump in the lake. Can not fine the part to old of car. The only other solution is to buy a steering wheel colum. big money over thousand he will not talk to me atall about this matter" that was his statement and spelling. below is mine


"On 5/15/2013 John William Luciano dropped his vehicle off at our location. We did a Full detail service on his 1978 corvette (Interior and exterior cleaning) John asked if I would drive the vehicle back to his home. (First red flag for me) I politely declined as it is a classic car. John proceeded to ask me multiple times to drive it,( second red flag) When I said I would be more than happy to pick him up and bring him to get it, He stated no, ill just wait and get it tomorrow. The vehicle was left inside overnight in our secure building. On 5/16/13 John came to pick it up. He looked over the vehicle and was happy. About 30-45 minutes later he returned. He stated that his turn signal was broken and it must have happened when the vehicle was left outside overnight (however it was not, it was in our secure building) I then stated it would probably be cheaper to just fix the part than claim it under insurance. He then stated it would cost thousands to fix, (this is before anyone even seen it) I said I would look into it and we would meet up to figure out a solution. The first thing I did was get on Google to search the part. What I found was this is an extremely common failure of that year and type of vehicle. This vehicle while in good condition was not in pristine condition, The windows did not roll up properly and the sun visors did not function as they should, thus, leaving possibility that the car may have other faults. (Red flag again)
I also called classic restorations. They specialize in classic car repairs and restorations. They informed me also this was extremely common and that simply detailing the car could not have caused this problem, however that the part was widely available both at local part stores and online. I called Mr. Luciano and told him this; I then said we would set up a time to look at the vehicle to get an actual estimate. He agreed but said HE would purchase the part. I got a phone call from him on Saturday 5/18/13 and he had stated he did not want to wait and he had a mechanic at his home right then and wanted me to come look as they had it all taken apart. I told Mr. Luciano that because someone had already taken the vehicle apart without it being looked at by a licensed garage that I was not liable. This steering Colum takes a special tool that you either have to rent or take to a GM garage. Failure to do so will result in this part breaking. Mr. Luciano became very loud spoken and said he was going to sue me. I apologized and explained that our agreement was to have a licensed shop take a look at the problem to determine the cause. He then hung up on me. "
 
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