Need a stronger machine then the PC?

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2StepsAhead

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Recently I did an 08 VW Jetta...and got my but kicked, I used a 6in orange and then yellow pad with HiTemp Extreme Cut/Magnum 357 on it and just knocked down the swirls. I was really figuring if I worked slow and used good pressure I would get 90% correction no problem...but this wasn't the case. Really didn't wanna break out the 4in pads cause the car would take forever...so..



What should I look into? The Flex? Or jump into a rotary? Im tired of certain clears kicking my butt and I don't think a stronger compound is gonna be the answer...plus once I get to that point I will probably have trouble breaking it down..



Give me some insight, what machine should I look into and what pads...should I look into the wool? Right now I have Optimum Compound and Polish and HiTemp Extreme Cut and Magnum 357...was thinking about picking up the 105/205 Meg's combo or maybe Menzerna but Im thinking the PC Im using is whats limiting me.
 
Thats what I was going to say. Give the 105 a shot. But if you feel that a more aggresive compound isnt going to do the job, I dont think you will mind the extra speed and power of the Flex at all.
 
Ofcourse, if you have the money to spare, its not like it will be a step backwards to upgrade to a flex or rotary. Me personally though, I dont have money to spare so I have to look for other cheaper options and m105/205 would have been my choice
 
We use Makita BO6040's in my shop strictly as DA machines. They are much more powerful then a PC, do not bog and handle 7.5" pads just fine though we use 6.5" pads with them. With a 6.5" pad you get not only the random orbit but also some light spin, not quite forced rotation spin but along those lines.



Our PC has seen its duty limited to waxing, Poli-Seal, and carpet scrubbing.
 
The 7424 is powerful enough,just use your 4" pads though.



If your trying to save time look at using a good AIO product like D151.
 
2StepsAhead said:
....Really didn't wanna break out the 4in pads cause the car would take forever...so..
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wannafbody said:
Try 4 inch pads as well.
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BigJimZ28 said:
the PC is supercharged with smaller pads...



IMO spend the $10 and grab a sample of 105 from ADS
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M54 said:
The 7424 is powerful enough,just use your 4" pads though.



If your trying to save time look at using a good AIO product like D151.
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Small pads? He doesn't want small pads.



Curious, what color is this V Dub?
 
I went to the Cyclo from the PC, I liked the Cyclo alot more but thats just me. Then I went to the rotary and I havent used the Clyclo since. I'm sure it partly because I need new pads for the Cyclo but I have no incentive to buy them. A soft pad and mild polish with the rotary is pretty versatile.
 
since I got my flex rotary, I haven't used my udm near as much. I use it now for wax application and for those rare cases where I cant finish down with a rotary.



some day I will be good enough to finish down with a rotary....



In all respects though, I think spending the $10 for a sample of 105 from ADS and going at that VW with the KB method may produce the desired results your looking for. and for only $10 you can't go wrong.
 
2StepsAhead said:
Really didn't wanna break out the 4in pads cause the car would take forever...so..
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sorry I missed this part yes it true it will take longer to cover the same area with smaller pads but........ the aditional cut of the smaller pad should make the

defect removal quicker



biolink said:
Small pads? He doesn't want small pads.



Curious, what color is this V Dub?
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thanks for pointing that out

but he's incorrect about he amount of time spent

so IMO he does want 4" pads
 
If you want to use large pads with the PC/etc. you'd better get something like M105.



The 4" pads don't take all that long IME because as BigJimZ28 noted they cut a lot faster. And often it's not just a matter of how long it takes, but rather whether you can do the required correction at all.



I like having a wide selection of polishers to work with, but honestly I think the PC can do pretty much anything (and it a reasonably timely manner) now that there are better pads and products on the market.
 
VW was black, of course...I could get a moderate amount of correction but I couldn't get it as far as Id like to. I guess Ive been spoiled by Mitsubishis and Subarus with buttery soft clears that I can cut with white pads and optimum polish or an orange pad and compound if I wanna go 99% without breaking a sweat.



I have some 4 in pads that I used to cut a nasty run in with a parking pole but it took a good amount of time, Im going to look into ordering some 4in spot ccs pads, the meguiars combo and some of the newer 5.5in ccs pads and see if this helps...



I just hate getting knee deep in a car and not being able to get close to swirl free, frustrating to be in the middle of a car and realize there isnt much I can do but keep making passes over and over. So far I had a 7 and a 5 series that made me want to cry lol, now this VW and my buddys repainted 5.0 stang gave me a really hard time too..just would like to know that if needed I can break out something really strong so Im not up against a wall.. [/rant]
 
2StepsAhead said:
Subarus with buttery soft clears[/rant]
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Ahh so it is true. I thought I was correcting the girlfriends car really quickly last time! Good to know I wont be spending all day on minor defects. I detailed a Benz, Gran National and Corvette before and let me tell you, I felt like I needed a week and a hammer/chisel.
 
2StepsAhead said:
..I just hate getting knee deep in a car and not being able to get close to swirl free, frustrating to be in the middle of a car and realize there isnt much I can do but keep making passes over and over. So far I had a 7 and a 5 series that made me want to cry..just would like to know that if needed I can break out something really strong so Im not up against a wall.. [/rant]
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Heh heh, I'm gonna be a broken record again because the above sounds *SO* much like how I felt when spending hours and hours on my M3 (and that was with a rotary too).



Buy the M105. Seriously. It's a game-changer, period. There is simply no way for me to exaggerate how well it works, even via PC. In special cases you might want to use a SurBuf pad or PFW with it, but *get that product* and then report back. It could pretty much come with a money-back guarantee ;)



There are some recent posts about how well the SurBuf pads work via PC with M105. They're probably worth searching for if you haven't already read them.
 
Accumulator, would I use the M105 with an orange or white CCS pad? Would I need to follow up the M105 with a final polish? (analogy: following up Menz SIP or IP with 106FF).



Also, what's this KB method that's been mentioned?
 
kopimon said:
Accumulator, would I use the M105 with an orange or white CCS pad?
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Depends on the job. People are using M105 with everything from SurBufs and wool to finishing pads. I used a (somewhat worn) 4" yellow cutting pad on my M3 and it worked great.

Would I need to follow up the M105 with a final polish? (analogy: following up Menz SIP or IP with 106FF).
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Yes. It doesn't finish out ready-to-wax IME/AFAIK.



Also, what's this KB method that's been mentioned?
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I'm the wrong guy to ask as I have only a vague understanding of just what it really entails. Do some kind of search (search key "KBM" might work, and/or search on the username IAmWaxMan, or something like that,,sorry I forget exactly what KB's user name is) and you'll find a lot of info. Kevin Brown is working on a full write-up.
 
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