MSDS - some nasty stuff

SVR

SVR

Dream Machines
At the moment I am trying to source MSDS sheets for all the car care products I know of and gained access to the MSDS page



I went through every product of a particular brand and found ingredients ranging from oxalic acid in a wheel cleaner (not nice stuff), engine antifreeze/coolant and pnp glycol (fast evapourating liquid) in quick detailers and all the quick detailers regardless of which ones were the same



All glass cleaners had alcohol and some acid in them, even their new detailer has alcohol and parrafin mineral

The interior detailer also contains alcohol. not a good thing for those surfaces



Every shampoo has sodium in it which is a nasty ingredient that will dry your paint out over time, including your trims. possibly removing sealants.



There is nothing unique or revolutionary about any of these products

Many of their products contain the same ingredients as regular polishes.

Worst was nail polish remover in tire shine.



Now I'm no chemist but some of these ingredients are not good.



It's a good idea to request MSDS from manufacturers before buying products
 
SVR said:
Now I'm no chemist but some of these ingredients are not good.
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SVR, I'm not sure if you are referring to a particular brand, but I reread and didn't find any such reference.



Alone, the ingredients you cited can be very harmful. In combination, however, they do things differently than they would alone.



Do not automatically cast each and every product as dangerous because of one ingredient.



Conversely, I do not condone the consumption or mishandling of even the simplest of products, such as the glass cleaner you mentioned.



What this does teach any of us reading is that the safety warnings on labels are not to be taken lightheartedly. There is meaning to the suggestions of wearing eye protection, breathing filters and respirators, and having proper ventilation.
 
SVR said:
All glass cleaners had alcohol and some acid in them...
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Generally the glass cleaners without alcohol dry slowly, thus leaving streaks.



SVR said:
Every shampoo has sodium in it which is a nasty ingredient that will dry your paint out over time, including your trims. possibly removing sealants.
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I think how harmful they are depends on which compound of sodium they contain. Sodium is found in salt and other innocuous compounds we encounter every day.
 
Thanks gang. I certainly am no chemist but my goal is to continually lift the quality of my work and move from say alum oxide to zirconium, titanium or other oxide that would provide better abrasiveness and different oils to provide even higher shine.

I read MSDS sheets to make sure I don't buy the same stuff over and over again even though it has a different label on it.
 
artikxscout said:
can you do us a favor and make a pdf of them? I've been trying to find the ones for Menzerna but found them no where in sight.
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By law, the manufacturer of the product MUST supply MSDS upon request.
 
you guys do realize when a manufacturer lists a volatile ingredients on an MSDS, thats only when it is a seperate entity.



Being a chemical engineer, I've learned over the various years, when various dangerous substances are mixed they can become harmless.





just a little fyi
 
Ever looked at the ingredients list on a can of Coke? Phosphoric acid. Phosphoric acid is a great cleaner. It'll eat through mineral deposits very fast. I used to use it to clean the inside of a boiler. Of course, that was a very high concentration. The concentration in Coke? Not so much. The contents don't matter nearly as much as the concentration within the product. Sure, there are exceptions to that, but normally the things that are *that* nasty don't make it into consumer grade products.
 
SuperBee364 said:
Ever looked at the ingredients list on a can of Coke? Phosphoric acid...
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When my wife was in school the teacher (prof, whatever) put a piece of deli meat in a glass of Coke. Next day it was gone, dissolved! She hasn't had a Coke since. I try to avoid it myself.



The MSDS is useful to learn what hazardous ingredients are contained in a product, but the exact composition is not listed; only broad ranges are reported. Proprietary ingredients and non-hazardous ingredients are not required to be named.
 
Good point. coke is some powerful stuff.

I had a big container of phosphoric acid years back and put some on the concrete floor of the garage (small area) and it turned it white and ate through a layer of it leaving a small hole



Thanks about the concentrations of products point.
 
"Ever looked at the ingredients list on a can of Coke?" You can use coke to separate threaded parts that won't come apart, assuming of course that you're not concerned about the finish. Pour coke, allow dwell time, unscrew the parts. I know, I know - there are products that are made specifically for this purpose but when they fail, try coke.
 
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