-Lebowski-
New member
It really clutters up the front page when looking at new posts. Not only that the pictures are so subjective and anyone can alter a pic to make it look better. I just think that it would be the boards better.
Motion to take click and brag off the front page...
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atticdog
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just click the links button then new posts they it just shows all the new posts
DaGonz
Autopia fire/rescue.
:hm :hm :hm
Motion denied!
Motion denied!
EBPcivicsi
GOT PREP?
I think you should just post in the thread with the pictures you find altered, let the detailer answer.
I browse the board by clicking "new posts" so it really doesn't matter to me.
I browse the board by clicking "new posts" so it really doesn't matter to me.
SpoiledMan
New member
ebpcivicsi said:
Unfortunately that doesn't work. It turns into a battle of words and the "poster" always wins when mods are involved. That said, I just don't click on the posts that I don't want to read. Click and brag is high on that list unless it's you and a couple others.
Setec Astronomy
Well-known member
I don't think the intent of the OP was to suggest that their was a lot of alteration going on, but that the C&B is worthless because pictures can be altered. I myself don't understand what "cluttering" is going on of the "front page"; I'm not aware of any special C&B area...the pictures that are on the home page are gallery samplings, which is different from C&B threads (and I don't find these pictures to clutter the page, anyway).
I personally hardly look at Click & Brag anymore, when you've seen one shiny car you've seen them all...sorta. However, I don't agree with the premise promoted on that other forum that C&B isn't worth the bandwidth, I think it's a necessary part of the community.
I personally hardly look at Click & Brag anymore, when you've seen one shiny car you've seen them all...sorta. However, I don't agree with the premise promoted on that other forum that C&B isn't worth the bandwidth, I think it's a necessary part of the community.
Setec Astronomy
Well-known member
Not this again; if you don't like the white cement, stay over at Dclub. That whole place is for people who don't like it here--so if you don't like things here, there's no reason to try to change them, you have other options.
SilverLexus
Super Enthusiast
What Scott said.
Setec Astronomy said:
I’m going to take your advise and leave this forum. It’s pointless following the same path as countless other detailers with high values before me and expect a different result. I’m not compassionate for the foxes however I do feel for the hens. Most of us who protest the obvious issues have been around the block a few more times and recognize the BS. We protest for the benefit of our fellow detailers and not to benefit our selves. I’m not to sure why fellow detailers have decided to look the other way or even worse, perpetuate the problem???
Have a good one!!!
LightngSVT
New member
I look forward to seeing the pictures from other detailers. And as a car enthusiast, besides a detail enthusiast, I like looking at some of the nice iron that gets posted.
Setec Astronomy
Well-known member
doged said:
What is pointless? Who is getting hurt by white cement? Newbs are being fooled into thinking they can make a car shiny? Guess what--THEY CAN. I will never understand why one member's pictures are so life-altering (or threatening) to some people. Get a grip. Doged, I generally find your posts to be insightful and seemed helpful to those who are professional detailers; I'm not sure why you chose this topic as your "last stand" :think:
JohnnyDaJackal said:
No one pretends otherwise either. I can usually tell when someone has used a different angle to get the best looking shot. So what? We all want our work to look it's best and usually if a detail doesn't come out as well as expected, the poster almost always mentions that. Some of us don't always get a choice or permission to start moving cars all over the place to get the best exposure possible. I'd take all mine on grass and with a neutral background if I could.
No one is forced to click on picture threads. Just like the menu in a restaurant, you may not like everything on the menu so you don't order those items. You don't tell the manager of the restaurant he/she needs to remove those items you don't care for.
imported_Picus
New member
I agree that pictures, regardless of their quality, are better than no pictures.
I do think there are two issues here. The first is post or in-camera processing. It'd probably be better for everyone if pictures weren't post (or in camera)-processed to add more brightness/contrast, however as someone who is running a business I can understand why it's done. Taking pictures of certain colors can be difficult, especially if you're trying to capture full-sun shots like many of us are. I definitely don't think erasers should be used, but that's something that requires some knowledge and forsight, and you can usually tell when it's been done.
In terms of angles and light I think that for the most part there are factors that come into play that prohibit "perfect before/after shots", especially for mobile detailers. I almost never have the option *or time* to stage a car, the sun will move, or go away, or come out, sometimes one angle won't effectively capture a particular defect. I don't (and I bet most guys don't) have a tri-pod, and if I did I wouldn't bring it with me. I can't always get the exact same angle or lighting. I've started trying very hard to be consistent with before/afters, and in doing so I've begun to realize how hard that is.
In the end I think the best you can do is try to keep your pictures representative of what you're seeing in person. I would imagine most people on Autopia do that, and when they don't it's fairly obvious, so just use your best judgement.
I do think there are two issues here. The first is post or in-camera processing. It'd probably be better for everyone if pictures weren't post (or in camera)-processed to add more brightness/contrast, however as someone who is running a business I can understand why it's done. Taking pictures of certain colors can be difficult, especially if you're trying to capture full-sun shots like many of us are. I definitely don't think erasers should be used, but that's something that requires some knowledge and forsight, and you can usually tell when it's been done.
In terms of angles and light I think that for the most part there are factors that come into play that prohibit "perfect before/after shots", especially for mobile detailers. I almost never have the option *or time* to stage a car, the sun will move, or go away, or come out, sometimes one angle won't effectively capture a particular defect. I don't (and I bet most guys don't) have a tri-pod, and if I did I wouldn't bring it with me. I can't always get the exact same angle or lighting. I've started trying very hard to be consistent with before/afters, and in doing so I've begun to realize how hard that is.
In the end I think the best you can do is try to keep your pictures representative of what you're seeing in person. I would imagine most people on Autopia do that, and when they don't it's fairly obvious, so just use your best judgement.
Setec Astronomy said:
Enhanced photo’s really don’t hurt anyone until one posts “name brand� product usage with it. It is more then obvious someone is selling something when every time they post a photo it contains “brand name� product. Wouldn’t it be more then OK to ask Autopia to BAND “name product� usage in a photo post? I think that would more then upset a few people. LOL...... WHITE CEMENT would be no longer!!! If the excuse is, Product has a lot to with the process BS then let it the conversations be in PM’s. Mike, thanks for the compliment!!!
doged said:
Try posting pictures and not mentioning the products used and see how many of the comments ask "what did you use?".
According to your logic, everyone who posts cars and mentions Zaino must be selling Zaino, those using Werkstatt must be selling Werkstatt and on and on.
cwcad
New Normal
With out the Click and Brag what would I have to compare ? It took some time for me to be able to get the results that I have seen on the C&B. It was something that I aimed for. To aspire to.
I have not figured out how to doctor up my pictures but I do know that I have learned how to get a shine on my truck. I am with Scottwax. Keep the C&B and make sure that you post process and product when you do. I will sort out the altered pictures as they arrive.
I have not figured out how to doctor up my pictures but I do know that I have learned how to get a shine on my truck. I am with Scottwax. Keep the C&B and make sure that you post process and product when you do. I will sort out the altered pictures as they arrive.
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