Setec Astronomy
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Oops. I wasn't sure if you meant ClayMagic so I searched and found what I did, and that there was no more ClayMagic website, so that convinced me that's what you were talking about.
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Modern Day Equivalent to Klasse All-In-One?
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Accumulator
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Huh? Griot's Window Cleaner has been discontinued?
I haven't received one of their "Handbooks" for ages...
I haven't received one of their "Handbooks" for ages...
According to my chat with one of their online reps, yes. That leaves them with the foaming window cleaner spray, which I despise, or the ceramic glass cleaner which I had terrible streaking with. They have a standard aerosol glass cleaner which is fine, but I don’t care for aerosols personally.Huh? Griot's Window Cleaner has been discontinued?
I haven't received one of their "Handbooks" for ages...
I don't receive any of the full-sized "Handbooks" anymore, either. Once in a while I'll get what basically amounts to a glorified flyer. I used to love getting the handbooks in the mail and there was something special about seeing all these unique products you couldn't stroll into the local auto parts store and pull off the shelf.
I still like a lot of Griot's products, and the company, but it has lost some of its luster for me personally with Richard turning the reigns over to Nick. Same with Adam's. It's just not the same now that you can walk into Wal-Mart and grab a bottle of Detail Spray.
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TGates:
Do Adam's Polish products seem "cheaper" and of an inferior quality since this ownership change and them going to mainstream over-the-counter availability, OR is this just a perception evaluation?
Never tried their product line when it was manufacturer-direct sales/available only, so it is not valid for me to make such an assessment or evaluation statement without any proof from actual use and experience, hence my question.
Do Adam's Polish products seem "cheaper" and of an inferior quality since this ownership change and them going to mainstream over-the-counter availability, OR is this just a perception evaluation?
Never tried their product line when it was manufacturer-direct sales/available only, so it is not valid for me to make such an assessment or evaluation statement without any proof from actual use and experience, hence my question.
Accumulator
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TGates- I too have issues with aerosol window cleaners. My Zep40 cleans like nothing else, but its overspray can trash stuff.
And yeah, Griot's seems to have changed with the new generation, and not for the better.
And yeah, Griot's seems to have changed with the new generation, and not for the better.
TGates:
Do Adam's Polish products seem "cheaper" and of an inferior quality since this ownership change and them going to mainstream over-the-counter availability, OR is this just a perception evaluation?
Never tried their product line when it was manufacturer-direct sales/available only, so it is not valid for me to make such an assessment or evaluation statement without any proof from actual use and experience, hence my question.
Oh no, I think the quality has remained the same. i'm simply suggesting it has taken a little of the "magic" of having to mail order your products away since they're now readily available locally.
A philosophical Captain Obvious observation on why certain car-care and detailing products are no longer manufactured and/or become obsolete:
1a) A newer, game-changing product comes out, challenging the sales preference of the detailing consumer (coatings versus waxes).
1b) Manufacturers unable to meet customer preferences or change and develop new products.
(ClearKote's Vanilla Moose Wax)
2) Changes in government legislation outlawing the production of certain car-care product to meet social concerns about their effects on the environment or personal health and safety. (Volatile Organic Compounds legislation that killed M16 Paste Wax)
3) Changes to automotive materials. obsoleting the use of certain no-longer-viable-or-needed car-care products.(Single stage paints to Clear Coats, PPE, and OEM matte finishes)
4) Geopolitical events or trade embargos make obtaining key minerals, man-made materials, or chemicals impossible to source or replace with another substitute in the manufacturing of certain car-care products.
5) Key ingredients become expensive, making the car-care products no longer cost-effective for consumer preferences.
6) Changes in company ownership, either because family members have passed on or the original owner sold the company for personal profit or because of health reasons. (See Adam's Polish product "concerns" above).
7) Law suites and subsequent litigation and judgements financially cripple or bankrupt the car-care product company out of business.
(Auto Wax's Clay Magic versus Mark V and Mother's Wax)
8a) Bad product reviews or experiences or bad marketing decisions impact the company's profitability (AutoGlym at Walmart)
8b) After beta testing and consumer hands-on focus group reviews, product is brought to market but never sells as expected.
(Lake Country User-Defined Orbital Stroke 3-in1 polisher)
9) Car-care product manufacturers consolidate companies or buy out and merge competitors, often eliminating former cross-competing duplicate products. (3M and Meguiar's)
10) Former employee(s) starts new car-care products company with similar products of old company, reducing market share and profitability of former company (Meguiar's and Finish-Kare or ColourLock and Geist).
1a) A newer, game-changing product comes out, challenging the sales preference of the detailing consumer (coatings versus waxes).
1b) Manufacturers unable to meet customer preferences or change and develop new products.
(ClearKote's Vanilla Moose Wax)
2) Changes in government legislation outlawing the production of certain car-care product to meet social concerns about their effects on the environment or personal health and safety. (Volatile Organic Compounds legislation that killed M16 Paste Wax)
3) Changes to automotive materials. obsoleting the use of certain no-longer-viable-or-needed car-care products.(Single stage paints to Clear Coats, PPE, and OEM matte finishes)
4) Geopolitical events or trade embargos make obtaining key minerals, man-made materials, or chemicals impossible to source or replace with another substitute in the manufacturing of certain car-care products.
5) Key ingredients become expensive, making the car-care products no longer cost-effective for consumer preferences.
6) Changes in company ownership, either because family members have passed on or the original owner sold the company for personal profit or because of health reasons. (See Adam's Polish product "concerns" above).
7) Law suites and subsequent litigation and judgements financially cripple or bankrupt the car-care product company out of business.
(Auto Wax's Clay Magic versus Mark V and Mother's Wax)
8a) Bad product reviews or experiences or bad marketing decisions impact the company's profitability (AutoGlym at Walmart)
8b) After beta testing and consumer hands-on focus group reviews, product is brought to market but never sells as expected.
(Lake Country User-Defined Orbital Stroke 3-in1 polisher)
9) Car-care product manufacturers consolidate companies or buy out and merge competitors, often eliminating former cross-competing duplicate products. (3M and Meguiar's)
10) Former employee(s) starts new car-care products company with similar products of old company, reducing market share and profitability of former company (Meguiar's and Finish-Kare or ColourLock and Geist).
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