MF's remove carnuba ?

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kiltman

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I was talking to the owner of top of the line {Irene was her name}http://www.topoftheline.com/index.html

She told me mf towels are no good to polish/wipe your car down after you have applied a carnuba wax. She said the mf will remove the carnuba from the finish.Irene recommended the suade ones.

Let me explain this:
wax with a carnuba, take off with mf or wax with a carnuba ,a few days later you are doing a QD and use an mf. Irene said the carnuba wax that was applied will be removed by the mf's.

What do you guys think about this?
 
In all my experiences since the advent of MF towels and use with over 20 carnubas...I have never had a MF towel remove my carnuba.



That said, ANY amount of friction between ANY two surfaces can result in the wear of the softest surface. So technically, ANY wax or sealant can be "removed" by a towel. There are also tons of variables. Heat, pressure, blah, blah, blah. But for us....NO. Don't worry about it.
 
Irene's thought process is that MF's are so grippy and carnauba is so soft that the MF will literally lift the carnauba off the surface. Suede is too fine a fabric to do this, hence her suggestion.



This actually made sense to me in some weird way. So what I do is use a MF lightly to remove a majority of the residue, then follow up with the suede.



Does it really work this way? Hell, I don't know. But the suedes are mighty soft and I sleep better at night, under the Ignorance Moon.;)
 
I am not sure what she was thinking but carnuba is not soft....it is actually a very hard, brittle wax. It doesn't really BOND to the surface of the car, kind of just lays there over a layer of oil. Products with abrasives tend to give the products a better BITE onto the car's surface, hence increasing durability. Like BRAD said, a MF towel will not hurt a carnuba waxed surface. Now a natural leather chamios....they should not be used, and well....that is a different story.........



She was probably confusing to two, or just wanted to push some of the suede towels that don't tend to sell as well. Who knows.
 
Granted, carnuaba is not "soft" per se, but it does sit "softly" on the surface. In your opinion, can a grippy MF pull the carnauba off the surface, since it's not bonded to it like a polymer would be?



I dunno but something about this rings a bell with me. I think of it like a piece of lint on a cloth. The fibers of the cloth will hold the lint until something with more "grip" comes along and removes it (electrostatic charges notwithstanding).



Just thinking out loud.....................
 
I have never had any problems with using a MF towel on a car with a caranuba on it. I don't like the idea of using the suede towels on paint. There is no pile for any dirt to travel into, so there is a much greater possiblity of scratching and causing swirls.
 
MF towels have a less grabby more durable side, that's the side I use to remove Klasse with, use that side lightly.



As for the carnauba being removed from an mf towel. I think carnauba sits a lot more sturdily on the car than you might think. Certainly strong enough to last though multiple washing and quick detailing and weather. It last though the elements and can definately last though a microfiber swipe (as we have all experienced, not just in theory)



Also if, carnauba can be removed by mf's then why have people stopped using carnauba because of the oily haze?
 
I cannot comment on MF and carnuba. I do have experience with MF vs. cotton towels when it comes to Z.

I have been conducting a long term test of Zaino application techniques on a brand new, factory obtained panel.

I have got about 15 coats of Z on the panel. After applying a new coat, I let it dry, then wipe it off with a Canning Vale, Platinum, or Charima towel, let it cure another day, then Z6. If I Z6 with cotton, I observe a "smeary" layer of material, even after two or three Z6ings. I have concluded that this is unbonded Z. While cotton towels will not easily remove it, MF with Z6 removes it in one swipe.

I speculate that the MF has a micro-abrasive (mechanical) effect and "scrubs" the Z off. I do not know how deep this scrubing might reach. It is reasonable to assume that each scrubing removes <em class='bbc'>some[/i] cured Z, but I have no idea how much or how little it might be. Sal says he is still researching MF and currently recommends cotton (while not condemning MF), just saying he has not finished his research.

I presume that a similar effect occures with carnuba, which effect would vary with the amount of scrubing, the coarseness of the MF, pressure used, presence or absence of a lubricating liquid (such as a QD) etc. -- but, based on other members experiences, as reported above, the effect does not seem to be significant . . . though I am sure that sufficient rubbing with a coarse MF towel would eventually remove a lot of the carnuba . . . . or Z for that matter . . . though we could be talking about hours of scrubbing.
 
Like Brad mentioned before I, there really is nothing to worry about when it comes to using high quality microfiber towels. In my usage of many, many, many, many of these towels, they have proven to be very safe both in terms of scratching and wax removal. So please don't lose any sleep over this. Laters
 
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