Makita 9227 Clearcoat Question

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Dave420

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Hi I’m planning on purchasing a Makita 9227cz circular polisher for applying Klasse all in one, sealant and maybe a machine wax on my new cars. I used one for years blending paint and doing paint corrections when I used to work in a body shop. My question is will a circular polisher remove clear coat from the vehicles using the lake country ccs blue, black, green or white pads?? It mentions in the Makita information that this polisher will remove clear coat??The vehicles are only a year old and do not require paint corrections but it would be nice to use a buffer to apply my products without removing clear coat. Thanks
 
I think a DA polisher would be more up your alley for something like this. With a rotary polisher, on the wrong paint, even with a soft pad and something with zero cut, you may end up with buffer swirls simply from the action of the pad alone. Not to mention the warmth from a rotary's action onthe paint makes products dry quicker.



A DA is much more docile and will allow the product to be worked in better without drying.
 
Thanks, one of the cars has surface scratches on the back. Is it possible to remove them with a dual action? The paint is a soft black paint and is prone to marring from claybars. Its one of the worst paints I have ever dealt with :( I was thinking about getting a polisher because im affraid to claybar and if it does cause marring I was thinking I could fix it with a polishing pad??
 
Yep as long as you are outfitted with the correct products and familiar with their application. Its a good thing(sorta) the paint is soft, that typically means it should correct pretty easy(though there are those odd easy to swirl, har dto correct paints here and there).



Yea and sometimes you clay and it marrs that easily, wax or sealant applied with a DA polisher will usually eliminate alot of the marring alone just based on the action of the pad with the machine and the sealant/wax providing some lubrication for the pad to work.



Alot of times clay marring is hard on the eyes but pretty easy to correct.
 
Ok thats for the info. I think ill order the porter cable 7424 tomorrow!! I have a few questions, what lake country pads to you recommend for applying klasse all in one and the klasse sealant? I was thinking a green pad for the all in one and a blue for sealant. Is it recommended to apply a hand wax on top of the sealant or would all in one and a sealant be good by itself? Could I remove the surface scratches using the 7424 with a LC white pad and all in one? And what size pads do you recommend? haha sorry for all the questions but a lot of this stuff is new to me lol
 
Dave420 said:
Ok thats for the info. I think ill order the porter cable 7424 tomorrow!!
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I'd get the Griot's Garage 6" Random Orbital instead. My PCs are notably inferior to the Griot's.



I have a few questions, what lake country pads to you recommend for applying klasse all in one and the klasse sealant?
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I'd use a polishing pad with the KAIO (in LC I'd probably get the white one, but I really prefer the griot's polishing pad with my AIOs).



I'd do the KSG by hand as I can't get a properly thin application via machine. But if you're bound and determined to try it, get the LC Gold pad.



I was thinking a green pad for the all in one and a blue for sealant.
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The green pad would probably be OK but I've never tried it.



The blue/black/red pads should all be OK for the KSG but again, I'd a) do it by hand and/or b) use the Gold pad.

Is it recommended to apply a hand wax on top of the sealant or would all in one and a sealant be good by itself?
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Unless you just can't stand the look of the KSG I'd leave it untopped so you can add another layer from time to time. I only use KSG when I can do at least four layers as that's when its durability gets impressive.



Could I remove the surface scratches using the 7424 with a LC white pad and all in one?
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No. KAIO is functionally nonabrasive on every auto paint I've tried it on, with the *possible* exception of some old-school single stage black (very, very soft paint). Even then it doesn't really do what I'd consider "correction".



And what size pads do you recommend?
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If you get the PC, I'd stick with pads no larger than 5.5". For correction with abrasive products I'd stick with 4" as the larger pads have too much friction and make the machine merely "jiggle".



If you get the Griot's you can use up to 6.5".



Oh, and Welcome to Autopia!
 
Also what size LC pads should i buy for it or do you recommend getting a 5" backing plate and getting 5.5" LC pads?
 
Dave420- Yeah, that's the Griot's. I haven't bought pads since forever, but IIRC LC sells 6.5" ones (as opposed to 6"). Those oughta work fine. I also like the orange and red Griot's pads, but their orange one (diff from other orange pads) is too gentle for really serious correction.
 
Sorry I took so long to get back to thread, couple hammered ones over the weekend.



For reference IF the paint is the type of soft paint that responds well to just polishing you can get some pretty awesome correction from KAIO on an orange pad - it just has to be that right types of paint - the only way to tell on your first time is really to try it.



In my experience with the green pads that seem to be variable depending on the vender, they tend to leave some nasty haze, whereas LC orange(if you needed something stronger than a polishing pad) is predictable, and if it leaves a haze its generally pretty consistent.



Otherwise another thing you can do is mix some of your KSG with about 1/3 water(2/3rd KSG) and make yourself a little spray on sealant(though play with this first in a tiny bottle if you choose - the ratio is a little different for each person and ranges from 1/1 all the way to like 10:1).



5.5inch pads, 4inch for the tougher, tighter spots and around little areas.
 
There are 2 or 3 types of green foam that have been made by LC - I would ask Chris at Eshine whether those are the coarse or fine foams, if he has a comparison shot between the 2 that would help - its a pretty big visual difference.



KAIO and the white foam in general is awesome. I would recommend that over green.
 
Dave, it's not personal, but I find that there is a frightening aspect in this thread. It begins with "I used one for years blending paint and doing paint corrections when I used to work in a body shop". An continues like "It mentions in the Makita information that this polisher will remove clear coat??"...



Wow. I'm speechless.



Dave, yes, good pads are absolutely essential, so don't forget the new MF pads from either Meguiar's or Optimum.
 
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