Looking for the ultimate high end wax for my rich customers

Or you could use Blitz with Klasse and tell your customers the Queen of England uses it on her cars :cool: Perfect for a Bentely



Steven
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Scottwax [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>I really wouldn't have to stock a whole lot, 95% of my customers would opt for Hand Polish/High Tech Yellow anyway. I just have some who want the best and don't mind paying for it. If you have a $349,000 Bentley and a $280,000 Lamborghini, you'd be willing to pay another $15-20 more for what you perceive to be the best wax. 8 oz would probably last me 3-4 months-I did about 25 cars with 8 oz of PPG. [/b]</blockquote>
Or buy some expensive Zymol and charge them a lot extra for it. Tell them it is the best since it costs so much.
 
<strong class='bbc'>69-912[/b]: I am not worried about the wax beading for a real long time keeping them from getting their cars waxed often, the Bentley I do gets <strong class='bbc'>driven[/b]. He put 14,000 miles on it in the last year. It is no garage queen by any means. Most of my customers actually drive their high end cars, so a little added protection from bugs and bird poop would be helpful.

Besides, there would be no way to convince some of these guys they only need their cars waxed 4 times a year. I have one who has me wax his Mercedes CL500 every two weeks, even though it beads like crazy. He just wants the 'just waxed' look all the time. Works for me!


Thanks for all the suggestions. I knew I could count on the Autopia perfectionists to have already checked out all the high end products.
 
man its nice to see that a good hearted (autopian :)) detailer made a name for himself in the arlington area. Good for you scott, man I wish there was someone that does work like you in the boston area. I would always take my car there! Keep up the good work man!
 
I guess I don't understand why you would believe that there's more initial work involved with Zaino than Klasse. With ZFX and Z5, you could have those dark colored Lambo's, Bentley's shimmering, and protecting (UV, etc).



I've used both the Souveran and the P21S on my own car, and I sincerely believe that the P21S is slightly easier to apply, and slightly easier to remove. Blitz/Collinite, while excellent waxes, aren't even in the same category when it comes to ease of use. Both stain plastic trim (I've used them both on my wife's old Escort before we sold it), and both are relatively much more difficult to remove than P21S or Souveran.



Yes, the optical differences between all of these waxes will be incredibly minor; it was really, really, really hard for us to grade the waxes...but, we had to nitpick, like a Car&Driver or Motor Trend would when they're testing a Porsche vs. a Ferarri, vs. a BMW, vs. a Mercedes.



That said, I think the P21S Cleaner lotion w/P21S wax would be your easiest, biggest bang for the buck/time product..unless you wanted to use Z5/ZFX... :)
 
Steve: I am to understand that Klasse application is similar to Zainos then? I know that you have to wait for Zaino to dry properly, and for the first use, you have to wash the car down with Dawn to strip all the old wax off (which I would be leery doing on a $349,000 car, even though one time would probably be okay). Do you have to follow similar procedures with Klasse?



In your tests, P21S seemed to have good durability, which should translate to adequate protection, right?



Maybe in your next round of tests, you could try the popular combos use here, like Klasse/Souveran, Zainos/Blitz, etc to see if you can find an ultimate combination of protection and shine. Probably be time consuming though... :p
 
You can apply ZFX and Z5 to a method similar to 2+3 method of AIO and SG, but what would be the point of getting Zaino. Most Zaino users never give Z the bare minimum treatment, they give it pretty much the opposite.



Klasse you can get away with mins and pull it off, and many poeple do, and that's what makes it easier, IMO.
 
YoSteve: So what you are saying is that to get the best results and protection from Zaino you need to use the full system and with Klasse you can use one or two of their products and get the protection of a synthetic?
 
I guess I'm saying the methods of Klasse I speak of

SGx3 back to back , AIOx2 * AIOx2 on non consecutive weekends, AIOx2 + SGx3, or AIOx2 + SGx5 (all the combination's I've tried) have all worked for 6 month details.



The zaino 6 month detail formula has yet to be established, because not many Z users practice and test it this way.



It's not that Zaino isn't less durable, that' just how it is practiced.
 
It's sorta funny how no one seems to remember that I have one, single coat of Z5/ZFX and one, single coat of Z2/ZFX on my 2002 Tahoe. Just as a refresher:



- I bought the 02 Tahoe on October 30, 2001. I washed it, clayed it (I would do this no matter what, so it's not a Z prereq), and then I got out the Zaino. I applied one coat of Z5/ZFX, removed it, QD'd with Z6, applied one coat of Z2/ZFX, removed it and QD'd with Z6.



That's it. Nothing else. Then, I let my wife take ownership/driving rights of the vehicle. She works at an animal shelter and as such she parks in a gravel parking lot, chases dogs, cats, foxes, etc. through fields with the truck, and occasionally runs it through the automatic car wash - no wax, just the wash.



That said, on April 1, 2002, I finally applied a second coat of Z5/ZFX, and a second coat of Z2/ZFX. When I applied the second coat, the Z was still beading water (very tight, tiny and deep beads - like little thumb tacks), and it still felt very smooth. Therefore, it would stand to reason that the Z was protecting. From November 1 - April 1: Snow, salt, rain, dust, gravel, mud, sleet, sand, car washes, etc. = still protecting on 1 coat of each.



So, I went 6 full months on a single coat of each, and my wife abused the heck out of the truck (by Autopian standards). Sure, I'd wash it weekly with P21S (at first), then Z7 after a few months, but the point is it survived 6 full months on a single coat, and it held up very, very well.



P21S lasted about 6-7 weeks in a static environment, but it looked better than every wax we tested. I'm certain that given the ease of use, the decent durability (for garage queens), and the fact that it doesn't stain trim, it's a no brainer for me...I'd offer the customers P21S. They'll love the look, and you'll love how easy it is to use.



Sorry for long post.
 
If you are looking for a carnuba i would definitly go with the p21s. But klasse sounds and looks like the best product
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by ShowroomLincoln [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Yeah, AIO+wax is a good combo for cars you are detailing for $$$. I do a coat of AIO (applied with PC) and then a coat of Blitz. Everyone is always very happy with the results, and the detail goes pretty quick since AIO is so easy to use.

Excellent combo for someone who need great results in a short amount of time. :up [/b]</blockquote>
Here is a car I do for a doctor in my local area. I did just what SrL stated. Klasse AIO and then a Blitz topper. He just about fell down as he walked out of his office and looked at his baby.

http://www.dksmobiledetailing.com/gold.htm#

Total detail from start to finish: 4 hours that included the engine bay, full interior, and air blow of all wet surfaces.
 
at the Olds dealer, they gave my brother a $100 dollar bottle of this stuff called Classic Cleaner Wax or something with the word Classic in it (kinda looks like AIO, but darker). It worked really well, when I used it once, haven't seen it since. Most likly it's polymer.



I tend to agree if you use Klasse on their car, it's considered $$$ as far as detailing is concerned.
 
I traded Intermezzo some Meguiars Pro stuff and Quikshine QD for his nearly full tin of Souveran-should be here today or tomorrow-just in time to detail a burgandy SL500 on Friday-total garage queen (1997 with 12,000 miles on it), so durability is not an issue-and I use Pinnacle Paste Glaz on a black Excursion about 2 months ago (I wash it weekly) and the paint still shines like mad and feels slick and I haven't QD'ed it at all, and he drives 40 miles each way to work.



I also washed the Z8 I do last Sunday (and waxed his wife's 750iL) and when I told him I had a very high end wax on the way, he told me to call him when it came in so I could wax the Z8 again-and he is well aware I will be charging him an extra $15 to use it.
 
Scottwax;



I agree with Intermezzo in terms of bragging rights for your customers while using a high-end wax. As a professional detailer I'm sure you're aware of the difficulty to obtaining depth on a light colored vehicle. A lot of people preach Souveran and I'm sure it's a fantastic product (I have yet to try it) but have you ever considered using Blackfire's Midnight Sun Ivory Carnauba Paste Wax? It runs $70 for a 7 oz jar and when used over a good sealant like Blackfire's Wet Diamond Paint Protection .... well, it would definitely give your customers something to brag about.
 
WOW. Talk about back from the dead. The op was about 6 years ago. Anyways I think he’s using Opti-Seal on almost everything now ( and with good reason ). It’s a great sealant.



I could be wrong though, maybe he will chime in.
 
Scottwax said:
What about using Klasse as a foundation for extra protection? .
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Why not use NXT? Looks great and protects well in Texas weather. Top it with another coat of NXT to increase wow factor. :drool:
 
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