Looking for the ultimate high end wax for my rich customers

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Scottwax

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I am trying to find the best high end wax or wax combo to use for some of my filthy rich customers. I really don't want to use Zainos-the initial application is time consuming compared to other waxes, and durability is not an issue-these are the types who want their vehicles waxed once a month even though they are still beading just fine.

I have tried Pinnacle Paste Glaz with great results. Very wet look and easy on and off. I polish with Meguiars Hand Polish and then use the PPG.

My other options are Pinnacle Sovereign, P21S, Blitz One Grand and Cherry Wet Wax. I've heard good and while not necessarily anything bad about any of them, I have heard Blitz stains the trim.

Sovereign is very pricey, but it seems the general opinion is that it is better than PPG.

P21S did the best overall (if I remember right) on www.thewaxtest.org and I have heard numerous good opinions on it.

Blitz One Grand is supposed to have an outstanding shine and be very durable, but I have read posts that it will leave plastic trim white.

Cherry Wet Wax seems to have a very good rep on a pro mobile detailer board I go to and is the lowest priced of the bunch. I don't know if it dries white or hazes trim, though.

What about using Klasse as a foundation for extra protection? It is my understanding that it is easier to use initially than Zainos is and seems to be highly thought of also.

Any comments would be helpful--and again, durability is not really an issue with most of my customers-they like their cars waxed often, and I am certainly not going to do anything to persuade them otherwise. I just want a high end WOW wax that will blow them away.

I might mention that Meguiars Hand Polish followed by High Tech Yellow #26 gives all the shine and wetness most people would consider 'outstanding'.
 
Oh yeah, by added protection with Klasse, I don't mean longer lasting, just more protection from the elements.
 
Swizol make a very good range of high quality waxes, some are even better than Pinnacle (and I like Pinnacle). For the German speakers:

www.swizol.com

I would probably use Klasse AIO, one coat of SG and very good wax topper (this is after prep work is done). This is what it can look like:

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This car has Pinnacle Souveran as a topper. Several weeks later it is still looking great.
 
I think one quickly reaches a point of diminishing returns with fancy waxes. I mean, how much more "wow" can one wax provide over another one? I've used Blitz and Souveran and while Souveran seems a little better, it ain't *that* much better.



You know better than I that most of the "wow factor" is perception over reality. So why not go to one of those super-pricey Zymol products and talk it up like its magic? If your high end customers will be impressed with the price of the wax you use then I say go all the way (or as far as you can stand to go).
 
Anything made by Pinnacle is great. I would definatly use a Klasse base for the wax though. That way when the wax wears off they can still coast on the shine of Klasse for awhile. Not to mention the protection against the elements factor.

PPG was really good. I wasn't prepared for the difference in Souveran though. It is totally worth the difference in money. This might be a good option to get some Souveran I can't even begin to describe the difference it makes. The PPG makes a nice glow but the Souveran adds depth and reflection that is unbelievable.
 
I agree with Bret here. I have tried both Souveran and Blitz and personally there is not $54 difference between them. In terms of shine, depth, durability and cost to stock the product you are not going to beat Blitz at $15/tin. Don't get me wrong I like Souveran, but for someone who is using the product in a professional capacity I just don't think it's cost effective to spend $70 on 8 ounces of wax.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by ShowroomLincoln [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>I agree with Bret here. I have tried both Souveran and Blitz and personally there is not $54 difference between them. In terms of shine, depth, durability and cost to stock the product you are not going to beat Blitz at $15/tin. Don't get me wrong I like Souveran, but for someone who is using the product in a professional capacity I just don't think it's cost effective to spend $70 on 8 ounces of wax. [/b]</blockquote>
I have heard that Blitz will haze plastic trim though and I really prefer something that doesn't.

I really wouldn't have to stock a whole lot, 95% of my customers would opt for Hand Polish/High Tech Yellow anyway. I just have some who want the best and don't mind paying for it. If you have a $349,000 Bentley and a $280,000 Lamborghini, you'd be willing to pay another $15-20 more for what you perceive to be the best wax. 8 oz would probably last me 3-4 months-I did about 25 cars with 8 oz of PPG.

<strong class='bbc'>Yo Steve[/b]--if you would like to work a trade for some Sovereign so I can try it, I have a ton of Meguiars Body Shop products you may be interested in. Maybe even some Moose Wax or Quikshine (Clearkote products)? Moose Wax is probably the best 1 step product I have used.


Any comments on P21S? Cherry Wet Wax?
 
I'm on QD and topper strike remember? perhaps an IOU or something. it won't take much. I'll scoop some out and put it in a small container and you can have it.
 
Scottwax,



Although the difference in shine between Blitz and a wax like Souveran may not equal $54 clams in the eyes of some, I think you are on the right track. Like you said a while before, it's not about the actual shine, but more about the fact that your customers will know (and can brag to their friends) that you are applying a product on their that costs $70 dollars for an 8 ounce can.



For the ultimate in ease and shine, a quick coat of AIO topped with Souveran provided a tremendous shine on my black bimmer. That is what I currently have on the car now and I'm just in the process of deciding whether or not I should continue using AIO as a base or switch to a product like Meguiar's Hand Polish or IHG. Using the SG on top of the AIO might yield even better results, but I decided not to add SG because I was worried about getting the annoying 'klasse haze' which I got before.



Wow, YoSteve that's an extremely generous offer!
 
If a wax leaves white stuff on the trim, isn't that a sign of fillers in the wax? I think someone said that before.



I don't think I'll ever run out of Souveran. I've put on probably 12 coats over all on a number of cars and I've barely begun to dent the can. I think it will last for quite awhile. My PPG I bought must have been half full when I got it becuse that went pretty fast. Its not gone yet but its close.
 
Can't confirm if it's true or not but who knows.



A distributer in a city where there is a lot of wealth

told me this story. He said a number of the detailer's

in his area who take care of exotic cars wanted to experiment

and try another leading wax/polish brand. Immediately,

the clientele started calling the detailer's complaining

that their cars looked different and that they wanted back

the look of whatever brand of wax they had been using prior.

They had been using Blitz.



As far as Blitz whitening your trim I have found that buffing

as soon as you apply it cuts down on this. With this method

you can easily avoid the molding and trim. I think when Blitz

dries is when you have problems with the chalk effect.



Advantages of no-wait blitz buffing :



1- greater depth

2- greater clarity

3- very quick application [ 10 mins ]

4- you can do multi coats in one day [ but keep in mind

many short coats does not mean multiple layers ]

5- lo or no chalking on trim & molding

6- easy removal with a MF or terry

7- easy application [ glides ]



Disadvantages of no-wait blitz buffing :



1- not as thick as dried coat [ but if your waxing often it's

negated





What I've learned is that Blitz has a hi-shine window.

What I mean is that right after you apply it you do not

receive the high point of the shine. The high point of

the shine happens about 4-5 days after application

and this high point lasts about 2 weeks. So a high point

schedule can easily be attained with the quick blitz method

every two weeks requiring very little up keep once you get

the base layers on. This is not only my observation but

many other blitz users.



Hope someone benefits from my blabbering!
 
If you want to experiment a little I have found that Collinite MDE

is the most durable wax I ever used and it looks unreal on

dark cars. It's got a shine I just can't put my finger on.

Outstanding.



It's a no-wait buffing wax that will speed things up for you as I know time is a concern for detailers.
 
Some people are saying use AIO, SG then Souveran. Let's think about that folks.



Thats is enough protection to last a few months a car that is a daily driver. These Rolls and Lmbos and such are probably only driven twice a month and I'm sure they are parked in a garage when not driven.



If he applied AIO, SG & Souveran on these cars they wouldn't need rewaxed for a year! Thats money he won't be making.



I would suggest PPCL or such then apply a coat of Souveran. On a garage kept (hardly driven) car this should easily last 3 months. Then they will be coming back for another detail which will be more pofitable for you.:nixweiss
 
69-912,



You make a good point, but he was specifically asking about Klasse as a base to provide extra protection from the elements. That is why I suggested AIO + Souveran.
 
AIO+Souveran is an excellent idea, Intermezzo! :bow You get at least <em class='bbc'>some[/i] protection and paint polishing from the Klasse, and you also get the Souveran shine. And Klasse AIO is relatively quick and easy to use...

:up
 
Yeah, AIO+wax is a good combo for cars you are detailing for $$$. I do a coat of AIO (applied with PC) and then a coat of Blitz. Everyone is always very happy with the results, and the detail goes pretty quick since AIO is so easy to use.



Excellent combo for someone who need great results in a short amount of time. :up
 
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