Layering Different Carnauba Waxes...
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JasonC8301
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1. I don't think it is a waste of time, but offers variety in the detailing routine.
2. I have tried it and the results are very good (probably just the wax or mind games)
Klasse one day (1X AIO with PC and foam polishing pad, 3X SG with foam finishing pad) then the following two weeks (after each weekly wash) put on a coat of Souveran (2 X), then wait a week, wahs again and put on a coat of Blitz, then the next week I washed and put on a coat of Pinnacle Paste Glaz. The next morning I dusted off the car (1992 Beige Camry XLE) with a cali duster then put on another coat of the Paste Glaz.
Here are the results after the second coat of Paste Glaz
(Pictures date August 2001, the shine is still on the car after 10 months, doubt the wax is still there but the Klasse is, just needs a wash and another coat of wax, plus some major interior and engine work.)
I think each wax offered different finishes. The Souveran had a great shine and excellent depth. The Blitz alcked the shine but had more depth than Souveran. The Paste Glaz had less depth but offered a freaking dazzling shine (shield eyes in sunlight.) The Souveran has the best of both worlds, but for lighter color cars for a really bright finish, I like the Paste Glaz (cheaper too at $35 or so a can.)
Jason
2. I have tried it and the results are very good (probably just the wax or mind games)
Klasse one day (1X AIO with PC and foam polishing pad, 3X SG with foam finishing pad) then the following two weeks (after each weekly wash) put on a coat of Souveran (2 X), then wait a week, wahs again and put on a coat of Blitz, then the next week I washed and put on a coat of Pinnacle Paste Glaz. The next morning I dusted off the car (1992 Beige Camry XLE) with a cali duster then put on another coat of the Paste Glaz.
Here are the results after the second coat of Paste Glaz
(Pictures date August 2001, the shine is still on the car after 10 months, doubt the wax is still there but the Klasse is, just needs a wash and another coat of wax, plus some major interior and engine work.)
I think each wax offered different finishes. The Souveran had a great shine and excellent depth. The Blitz alcked the shine but had more depth than Souveran. The Paste Glaz had less depth but offered a freaking dazzling shine (shield eyes in sunlight.) The Souveran has the best of both worlds, but for lighter color cars for a really bright finish, I like the Paste Glaz (cheaper too at $35 or so a can.)
Jason
VettePilot
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Experimenting with layering wax. My daily driven pathfinder which I am trying to sell go the full detail treatment over the last few months. Over the weekend I did a layering job that proved to be pretty good. My paint is in really good conditon (I wonder why) so i just did a good wash before starting.
I first used E1 Wet Paste Wax
I then used a layer of TOL Pizazz (sp)
Next was a layer of Souveran
Results are beautiful. I have already been hearing that it looks like my SUV was repainted (factory 13 yr old paint), but in the last week everyone is asking what I used. Deep gloss, very wet look, the metallics (it is burgundy and a dark grey two tone, both metallic) stand out very well, and it seems to "glow"
I first used E1 Wet Paste Wax
I then used a layer of TOL Pizazz (sp)
Next was a layer of Souveran
Results are beautiful. I have already been hearing that it looks like my SUV was repainted (factory 13 yr old paint), but in the last week everyone is asking what I used. Deep gloss, very wet look, the metallics (it is burgundy and a dark grey two tone, both metallic) stand out very well, and it seems to "glow"
imported_Intermezzo
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As long as you're willing to put in some effort and time, I don't think layering carnauba waxes is a waste at all. I currently have a few coats of Blitz as a base along with some Meguiar's #26 and a few coats of P21S Carnauba on top of that. I pretty much agree with Jason's description of Blitz. It leaves a nice deep shine...not very glossy. And it's durable (relatively speaking) so it works well as a base to the glossier P21S carnauba wax. Also, adding a coat of P21S is very easy and takes no more than 25-30 minutes for a mid-sized sedan.
Below is a picture of what my car looked like after Blitz only. IMO, the shine had a lot of depth and warmth. P21S however, changed all of that.
BTW...I still don't have a digital camera. I wasn't sure if I wanted to post this pic or not because it isn't anywhere near 'Autopian' standards. The clarity is really poor because this is just a scanned photograph. I hope my reputation isn't shot after posting this pic......I think my neighborhood skyline looks nicer than the car! :doh
<img src=http://image1.villagephotos.com/pubimage.asp?id_=297517>
Below is a picture of what my car looked like after Blitz only. IMO, the shine had a lot of depth and warmth. P21S however, changed all of that.
BTW...I still don't have a digital camera. I wasn't sure if I wanted to post this pic or not because it isn't anywhere near 'Autopian' standards. The clarity is really poor because this is just a scanned photograph. I hope my reputation isn't shot after posting this pic......I think my neighborhood skyline looks nicer than the car! :doh
<img src=http://image1.villagephotos.com/pubimage.asp?id_=297517>
William420
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OH YES! Finally a pic of Intermezzo's bimmer! I don't spend much time on autopia anymore but sure glad I didn't miss this thread. Personally I've been looking forward to your pic for a while and I was closed to stalking you. lol. 
Even though the pic is scanned with bad resolution and paint clarity has been compromised, it still looks pretty darn shinny to me. I KNOW it looks even better in real life! :xyxthumbs
Even though the pic is scanned with bad resolution and paint clarity has been compromised, it still looks pretty darn shinny to me. I KNOW it looks even better in real life! :xyxthumbs
imported_Intermezzo
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Hehe, thanks William. People like you that post awesome pics on the forum make me scared to post anything at all, but thanks for the kind words.
Now if we could just get Puterbum to post a pic.....
Now if we could just get Puterbum to post a pic.....
chevyguy28
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jmsc said:
That sounds very interesting. It certainly cannot hurt if you already have all three waxes and you intend to do three coats anyway. However, I'd do Blitz first, then P21S, then Souveran (thus keeping the most reflective layer on top).
could you lay a coat of souveran down on a car and then maybe follow up with some collinite to protect the souveran and help it to last and shine longer? Cause I've read the souveran doesn't last very long, and I'm using Collinite now and suposedly it last incredibly long for a carnuba wax, so maybe the longer lasting collinite would protect the souveran?
imported_doug
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You're talking about all good quality products carnauba products - so no harm will be done. My guess is that the differences will be subtle, and will have the most to do wuth whatever is on top.
My advice is to do different sections of the car differently. A front fender one way, the front door another, the rear door still another, and the rear fender a 4th way. This causes absolutely no harm, and, if there IS a difference big enough to notice, you can choose what you like and do the rest that way. If there is NOT a difference, you will also have learned something - and I hope you share it with us. If you do go this route, be sure to ask others as follows:
1) Do you see any difference in apperance between the different panels on this side of the car? (Note they might think you're talking about a re-paint job - but that is OK.) The goal is to AVOID telling them anything that might prejudice them before they answer, like "there's 4 different waxes on there" or "the door has P21 on it".
2) If they answer NO, end of questions. If they answer YES, then ask "which do you like the best?" - and ask them to see if they can articulate how they perceive the differences.
3) If they're interested, now you can tell them what you're doing and what's where.
4) TELL US WHAT YOU LEARNED! :bounce
Can you tell I used to do market research as part of my job?
My advice is to do different sections of the car differently. A front fender one way, the front door another, the rear door still another, and the rear fender a 4th way. This causes absolutely no harm, and, if there IS a difference big enough to notice, you can choose what you like and do the rest that way. If there is NOT a difference, you will also have learned something - and I hope you share it with us. If you do go this route, be sure to ask others as follows:
1) Do you see any difference in apperance between the different panels on this side of the car? (Note they might think you're talking about a re-paint job - but that is OK.) The goal is to AVOID telling them anything that might prejudice them before they answer, like "there's 4 different waxes on there" or "the door has P21 on it".
2) If they answer NO, end of questions. If they answer YES, then ask "which do you like the best?" - and ask them to see if they can articulate how they perceive the differences.
3) If they're interested, now you can tell them what you're doing and what's where.
4) TELL US WHAT YOU LEARNED! :bounce
Can you tell I used to do market research as part of my job?
imported_StyleTEG
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I have tried layering different waxes a few times, and I had a hard time measuring the difference.
I could definitely see a difference after each coat, but I really was unsure if I was just seeing the different reflective properties of the last coat of wax, or a combination of all waxes used on the finish.
Would be very interested in the results of a better study than my lazy, do-it-and-look method
I could definitely see a difference after each coat, but I really was unsure if I was just seeing the different reflective properties of the last coat of wax, or a combination of all waxes used on the finish.
Would be very interested in the results of a better study than my lazy, do-it-and-look method
William420
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Intermezzo said:
hhhehe. That's EXACTLY what I had in mind but he doesn't have a digi cam yet. One of these days, I gotta drive down there and pay him a visit... Maybe one of these days...
Speaking of Puterbu, haven't seen him posting lately.
mrdetailer
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I thought I was making a huge jump into OCD territory when I used 2 separate waxes. 3M topped by Meguiars #26. Now I find out that others here are routinely using 3-4 kinds at the same time. I tried a test of topping a 3M Perfect-It Show Car Paste Wax one one half of the hood with Meguiars and the other with P21S. Maybe I should have been using both of them together.
mrdetailer
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Last year I found 3M Perfect-It Show car Paste wax.
3M describes the wax this way:
"Perfect-It Show Car Paste Wax is the first 3M product to take full advantage of A.S.F. [Acrylic Silicone Fluoropolymer]. Suspended in the wax, these fluoropolymers create a surface that actually repels dirt and grease - they just don’t stick to it! Show Car Paste Wax fills minor scratches and swirls and protects new and like-new finishes with a tough, high gloss wax shield."
It is a Carnauba type.
I have used it for about 16 months and have found impressive results. It is brilliant but durable. 3M's technical support said that this wax can last 15 to 20 washings in their tests where the average Carnuba lasted only 5-10 I found this to be a wax that lasts close to its 6 month representation but no longer than that. It has a very wet look and yet images clearly reflect from its surface. I maintain 4 cars other than my own regularly for various family members and this is the only wax I use on their vehicles.
I am not alone in my perceptions.
An editor at Properautocare.com said the following:
"As I applied this wax to the hood of my test vehicle and started to buff I was mentally preparing to write this wax off as a bad experience. When I stood back and looked at the hood, I was stunned at the liquidity this wax created. This wax has a high jetting factor which will make it look great on black, red and dark color vehicles. I was also impressed by the sharply-defined clarity of the reflection. Waxes with a high jetting factor (which creates the illusion of wetness) tend to have softer reflections. This wax had both. The finish had a very liquid-like shimmer and reflections in the hood of the sky and trees were bright and clearly defined. This clarity of reflection will compliment light colors like white, beige, silver, light blue and yellow.
This wax has been on our test vehicle for almost 90 days and gone through 10 car washings (by hand). Water still sheets nicely and the beads are uniform without any empty patches. This is excellent for any carnauba wax during a Florida summer. I would rate this wax's durability as above average for a carnauba wax.
Clearly the chemists at 3M have created a remarkable wax. . . .
Bottom line, this is my favorite wax for under $25.00! "
I got my last can for $15.00. (NAPA Auto Parts) It is a hard wax but is easy to apply and remove. On a well prepared surface the can will last for a long time. I put on 15 coats from one can by hand and it isn't even half way done.
This wax makes a great base coat.
3M describes the wax this way:
"Perfect-It Show Car Paste Wax is the first 3M product to take full advantage of A.S.F. [Acrylic Silicone Fluoropolymer]. Suspended in the wax, these fluoropolymers create a surface that actually repels dirt and grease - they just don’t stick to it! Show Car Paste Wax fills minor scratches and swirls and protects new and like-new finishes with a tough, high gloss wax shield."
It is a Carnauba type.
I have used it for about 16 months and have found impressive results. It is brilliant but durable. 3M's technical support said that this wax can last 15 to 20 washings in their tests where the average Carnuba lasted only 5-10 I found this to be a wax that lasts close to its 6 month representation but no longer than that. It has a very wet look and yet images clearly reflect from its surface. I maintain 4 cars other than my own regularly for various family members and this is the only wax I use on their vehicles.
I am not alone in my perceptions.
An editor at Properautocare.com said the following:
"As I applied this wax to the hood of my test vehicle and started to buff I was mentally preparing to write this wax off as a bad experience. When I stood back and looked at the hood, I was stunned at the liquidity this wax created. This wax has a high jetting factor which will make it look great on black, red and dark color vehicles. I was also impressed by the sharply-defined clarity of the reflection. Waxes with a high jetting factor (which creates the illusion of wetness) tend to have softer reflections. This wax had both. The finish had a very liquid-like shimmer and reflections in the hood of the sky and trees were bright and clearly defined. This clarity of reflection will compliment light colors like white, beige, silver, light blue and yellow.
This wax has been on our test vehicle for almost 90 days and gone through 10 car washings (by hand). Water still sheets nicely and the beads are uniform without any empty patches. This is excellent for any carnauba wax during a Florida summer. I would rate this wax's durability as above average for a carnauba wax.
Clearly the chemists at 3M have created a remarkable wax. . . .
Bottom line, this is my favorite wax for under $25.00! "
I got my last can for $15.00. (NAPA Auto Parts) It is a hard wax but is easy to apply and remove. On a well prepared surface the can will last for a long time. I put on 15 coats from one can by hand and it isn't even half way done.
This wax makes a great base coat.