KSG hiding swirls... no way....

Dan

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Sometimes some of the greatest discoveries are by accident.



Since I've been doing some (mechanical) work on my older S4, I decided it would be fun to do some comparison tests as the car was going to be parked for a while. The paint is in pretty poor shape, it has moderate swirling and hasn't ever been polished by machine. I've never had much luck with swirl fillers but I wanted to compare my newly acquired SRP to the DWG I had sitting around. I also wanted to see how much layering I could do with KSG. KSG is the only product I have used that, without a doubt layers, but I was curious as to how much. So I split the trunk up into sections with some painters tape. I proceeded to layer SRP, DWG, #21 and KSG (surface prepped with KAIO). I left one section with only one coat of KSG to compare to the other.



I did these sections whenever I had time, but let each section sit and dry at least 12 hours. With everything else going on, I didn't pay a lot of attention to the KSG layered side. I kept comparing SRP to DWG. #21 was a total failure in swirl hiding. Then a few days later, thinking I didn't prove anything, I removed the tape. I decided to give the trunk another look and I was blown away.



The KSG x 6 area had virtually no swirls. Only the deepest of the deep swirls showed slightly. I was dumbfounded. Here I was comparing DWG to SRP and KSG threw a sucker punch. I had seen Autogeeks description of KSG, they stated it was one of the best swirl fillers, but I took it as a sales pitch. I really am blown away by this....



Getting pictures of this was a challenge, but I was able to place a credit card on the paint surface, focus lock on it, and then move it out of the way and snap the picture.



6 coats of Autoglym Super Resin Polish

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6 coats of Danase Wet Glaze, original version

DWGx6.JPG




One coat of KSG

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This picture is also representative of the #21 and similar swirling to the actual paint



6 coats of KSG

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yakky- Huh! OK, now I see what you mean. Maybe I quit ("eh, I really need to correct this"...start over...) too soon. Heh heh, I wouldn't have minded having some flaws hidden on my minvan rather than having bothered correcting it the way I did!
 
That's quite a find yakky! Do you think you can replicate it just to make it more scientific? If true, this turns on its head nearly a decade of KSG wisdom. :nervous2:



As for SRP and DWG, I wouldn't expect any layering as they both contain cleaners, especially SRP.
 
Alfisti said:
That's quite a find yakky! Do you think you can replicate it just to make it more scientific? If true, this turns on its head nearly a decade of KSG wisdom. :nervous2:



As for SRP and DWG, I wouldn't expect any layering as they both contain cleaners, especially SRP.



FWIW, DWG got better up to round 3 or 4, SRP kept getting better. To be clear, I was just grazing the surface with a pad, being careful to not remove anything.



I am actually in the process of applying it to another car, though this one has much finer swirls. So far at layer two, it looks like it is doing the same thing. I am applying KSG on a dry pad and allowing it to dry overnight. Then I'm buffing it dry. I know this seems crazy, so I'm hoping someone else follows the same steps and can duplicate it or refute it.



I also did a google search and found posts here and there with people claiming they got filling with KSG. Lastly, here is AutoGeeks description:



"Hides and Removes Imperfections. When used in conjunction with Klasse All In One Polish, you will see scratch marks and paint discolorations disappear. This gloss hides and removes more swirls than any other brand, and provides the ultimate protection in extreme weather."



Certainly a bold statement for them to make considering they have their own line of products to peddle.
 
Yakky- Heh heh, I'm starting to wonder about doing KSG * many topped with FK1000P the next time I do the Yukon :think: Not that I want *that* to happen any time soon!



Alfisti said:
As for SRP and DWG, I wouldn't expect any layering as they both contain cleaners, especially SRP.



That's what I always figured...I mean hey, it even contains abrasives!



But I read the product info that came with it and they talked about layering, so I gave it a try. Waited a day between applications and did the second/third ones *VERY* gently and do sure do mean *VERY*. Left untopped, the "layered" side lasted quite a bit longer than the one-coat side. Huh...OK, started doing it that way and found that it did a bit more concealing too. Eh...YMMV especially with all the cleaners/abrasives, but give it a go and see what happends.
 
Accumulator said:
Yakky- Heh heh, I'm starting to wonder about doing KSG * many topped with FK1000P the next time I do the Yukon :think: Not that I want *that* to happen any time soon!



Yeah, it is certainly time intensive and requires a garage. For six layers, you are looking at 3 days downtime, at least.
 
yakky said:
Yeah, it is certainly time intensive and requires a garage. For six layers, you are looking at 3 days downtime, at least.



Yeah, I always end up taking 'em off the road for an extended period when I do a full detail anyhow. Heh heh, for those big dog-haulers the whole thing can take an incredibly long time!



BTW, I too like to let the KSG set up overnight, if only because applying it to the big vehicles is enough of a job that I'm content to take a break after it's done :D
 
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