Klasse...New vs Old Formula?

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Running almost on empty on my older Klasse Twins. Will need to reload soon.



Those who have used both the new and old, has anyone seen any appreciable differences as far as usability, gloss, durability, price?
 
There is no difference in usability, gloss, durability, price between the old and new version. ie, there is no new version.:p
 
Actually, the price has gone up.....or is going up, one of the two, and it is (will be) different.



I don't know the exact specifics of the change, but I know one does exist.
 
JDookie said:
Actually, the price has gone up.....or is going up, one of the two, and it is (will be) different.



I don't know the exact specifics of the change, but I know one does exist.
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Where did you get this info? I have been suspicious of Klasse's claim that it's 30 year old formula is VOC compliant and has not or will not change. I don't believe a formula that is 30 years old meets VOC regs.
 
stevet said:
Where did you get this info? I have been suspicious of Klasse's claim that it's 30 year old formula is VOC compliant and has not or will not change. I don't believe a formula that is 30 years old meets VOC regs.
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I'm not at liberty to say, but let's just say that you need to trust me on this one. It comes from a very good source. ;)



Like I said, I have no idea what the changes actually are, so it may or may not have anything to so with VOC regs. Time will tell.
 
guapsnaman said:
OoOooOOhhHhh....interesting.



Hopefully is a new and improved version that says "F*** VOC regulations!!"
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Of course they will say something like that. They aren't going to say that they changed the formula to meet VOC regs and now the product isn't as good as it was.
 
JDookie said:
I'm not at liberty to say, but let's just say that you need to trust me on this one. It comes from a very good source. ;)



Like I said, I have no idea what the changes actually are, so it may or may not have anything to so with VOC regs. Time will tell.
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"...not at liberty to say..."



Since when did a change in any wax become so top secret that people in the know can't talk about it?



The stink about "new" Klasse from not long ago was refuted by Jason at Autogeek and others who actually are Klasse distributors. DavidB also doubted back in April that there had been any formulation change. I would consider DavidB to be "in the know" if any changes were in the pipeline.



The dreaded VOC regs get a lot of play because of California's overly liberal stance on emissions, but these restrictions are not required by all states.



To say you really can't talk about it is ridiculous because you just did. In doing so, you are only fanning the flames to re-start the rumor mill from April.
 
chml17l said:
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The stink about "new" Klasse from not long ago was refuted by DavidB, Jason at Autogeek, and others who actually are Klasse distributors.
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Being a distributor of a product doesn't mean you know anything about the manufacturing end of things. They only know what they are told. This guy that is president of Klasse USA is not involved in the manufacturing end either. Besides he is about as hard to get a hold of as the CIA. Whats his phone # so you can call him? Who makes Klasse? If it's made in Europe why can't it be bought there? How can a 30 year old formula be VOC compliant? There are more questions than answers for this product it's all some big mystery.When you look at the bottle and read about the product it looks like something you would buy from some late night info- mercial. Although I really like the bottle of AIO I have I don't trust this company very much.
 
They have the best cleaner and arguably most durable sealant on the market. Because they don't want to be bothered you don't trust them? I don't care if the Keebler Elf makes it as long as they have the best product and don't double their price.
 
Has anyone tried mailing these questions to the Klasse USA HQ? On my bottle (recently bought, might be new, might be old version, don't know) it has an address:

Klasse USA

601 Van Ness Avenue, Suite E3-842

San Francisco, CA

94102 USA



It also says it's mfg and bottled in Germany for Klasse. (Doesn't say "BY" Klasse... "FOR" Klasse). This may add credibility to the possibility that it is made by the company that makes Carlack, but they make it to "Klasse's" specs. :nixweiss
 
Casebrius said:
They have the best cleaner and arguably most durable sealant on the market. Because they don't want to be bothered you don't trust them? I don't care if the Keebler Elf makes it as long as they have the best product and don't double their price.
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Give me an example of one other top level detailing product company that is as hard to get info out of as Klasse is.





I am not disputing that the products are good. AIO is one of my favorites. I just have a hard time believing the little info they are "bothered" to give out. I don't believe for a minute that the Klasse we know and like is VOC compliant. It will have to change if it hasn't already.
 
chml17l said:
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The stink about "new" Klasse from not long ago was refuted by DavidB, Jason at Autogeek, and others who actually are Klasse distributors.
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Don't bring my name into it... I never said ANYTHING!
 
DavidB said:
Don't bring my name into it... I never said ANYTHING!
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DavidB-- I did not intend to put any words in your mouth. My impression of your original post in April was that you doubted that Klasse had made any changes and that you were going to compare an older shipment against a new one. I never saw any further posts, so I assumed the "new" Klasse myth had been debunked.



I have edited my original post in this thread to more accurately reflect the details listed above.
 
chml17l said:
DavidB-- I did not intend to put any words in your mouth. My impression of your original post in April was that you doubted that Klasse had made any changes and that you were going to compare an older shipment against a new one. I never saw any further posts, so I assumed the "new" Klasse myth had been debunked.



I have edited my original post in this thread to more accurately reflect the details listed above.
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What I said is that I would test the products to determine if there have been any changes. I have not finishd my testing.



I don't believe it is my place to make public statement on behalf of importers/manufacturers. If there is a change, allow Klasse USA to make a statement about the changes and what they might be.



I personally find these discussions fraught with issues. There are way too many people on the forum with personal agendas. I won't be involved and I don't want my name involved in the arguments.



If product "A" is to your liking, use it.



If product "A" is not to your liking or you like product "B" better, there's no reason to knock product "A".



If you're knocking product "A" and using product "B", you likely have an agenda that is not honorable and you don't belong here.



:wavey
 
DavidB said:
What I said is that I would test the products to determine if there have been any changes. I have not finishd my testing.



I don't believe it is my place to make public statement on behalf of importers/manufacturers. If there is a change, allow Klasse USA to make a statement about the changes and what they might be.



I personally find these discussions fraught with issues. There are way too many people on the forum with personal agendas. I won't be involved and I don't want my name involved in the arguments.



If product "A" is to your liking, use it.



If product "A" is not to your liking or you like product "B" better, there's no reason to knock product "A".



If you're knocking product "A" and using product "B", you likely have an agenda that is not honorable and you don't belong here.



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I don't see anybody knocking Klasse. In fact I see the opposite. There are many here that use Klasse and like it and are concerned that the VOC regs will negatively affect their favorite product. Getting info from Klasse about this not the easiest thing. AIO is my favorite cleaner and when I first herd about the VOC regs the first product I was concerned about getting dropped or reformulated was Klasse.
 
For the record, I too like Klasse very much and am a long-time satisfied user.:)



I am only seeking to find the truth thru the haze of another rumor thread regarding "new" Klasse.:argue



Is it just me, or is anyone else slightly disturbed that a moderator on the board would jump in to perpetuate an old rumor?:o
 
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