klasse (is the sg worth it)

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For those who use Klasse all in one, do you also top that with the klasse sealant glaze or is this really not necessary? How much more of a deeper shine to you get when you use the sg after the all in one?
 
I think SG is really the product to get if you only want one. It really has more glow to it, seems more durable, has more of that smooth acrylic feel, and it will hide swirls fairly well. AIO is a nice cleaner and the fact that it leaves some protection behind is a bonus, but I can't imagine using AIO as the only protection. Just my opinion, though.



Though, if you just got SG, you'd probably have to do a rather Zaino-like prep before applying it. :nixweiss
 
I've been using Klasse for almost a year now. I learned about it here. I started out using only AIO. It's a great product. It makes the paint feel buttery smooth, and it has a nice shine. Left on it's own, though, it seemed to me to lose the smoothness and shine in about 4 weeks or less. Perhaps the protection was still there, who knows? I'm not a good judge of how well paint is being protected.



I held off on using SG for a long time because of all the talk about it being fussy stuff to use. Instead, I decided to fortifiy the AIO with Sonus Acrylic Spritz. As far as I am concerned, this worked very well. A weekly or sometimes twice weekly application kept the shine and slickness going seemingly forever. Maybe not up to multiple SG coat standards, but it looked good to me. Once, about 2 months into that regimen, I took the car to the Pasadena Car Wash, where they have the option of getting a hand wash as opposed to the machine wash. I could see the guy who was drying my car call some of the other workers over to touch the paint. When I was called over to take the car, the guy told me the car had been really easy to wash and dry because the paint was so slick.



At the end of 4 months, the shine was still going strong, but my unopened bottle of SG was starting to call out to me. About that time I was reading about the Bill North WOWO method, and decided to give it a try. But - I'm lazy. My initial attempt was just the hood with a small Surbuf pad from CMA. I did not see any great improvement in the shine (but my car is white). Nevertheless, I decided to get one of their giant size Surbuf pads to do the whole car. I'll tell you, laying down SG with that thing was a breeze - about six quick swipes and the hood is done, then just wipe off. Just try to miss a spot with a pad that huge!



My latest deal, again because I'm lazy, has been to resurrect a method written about on this board quite some time ago. I got a small 8 oz spray bottle. I put in 7.5 oz of distilled water, and 1/2 oz of SG. After washing the car, I shake the mixture well and go over it with this stuff instead of Sonus. It took only 4 oz of this mixture to do my Accord - that's only 1/4 oz of SG consumed. And that included the wheels. Cheaper than Sonus, and maybe the concentration of SG in my mixture is higher than Sonus. I am very pleased with the results, both in shine and the tactile slickness.



Bottom line: I don't think AIO alone is enough. But using a spray like Sonus or water plus SG after every wash seems like a very easy and painless way to get and keep the full Klasse shine and slickness.
 
Just my opinion, but I have started thinking mixing SG with water is not a good idea. Some sealants use water as the solvent/carrier, or at least as part of it. They contain water, thus adding more water would just dilute them a lot. But SG isn't one of those. It specifically says it contains no water at all. I think mixing it with water might inhibit or negatively affect its bonding/performance... It seemed like when I used water to buff off SG (which made buffing a breeze) that it didn't tend to last very long. Just an opinion, maybe it's in my head, but I wanted to toss it out. :)
 
In a 16 oz spray bottle, 15 oz water, 1 oz SG.



It would be nice if there was a Klasse insider, kind of like Mike Phillips with Meguiar's, who could answer the question of what happens when water and SG are combined. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that it takes way more applications of a water/SG mix to get the same result as a more conventional application of SG with a dry applicator. I "think", but I don't "know", that at least a little bit of the acrylic is getting bonded to the surface every time I use Sonus or water/SG. I like the fact that it's so easy to apply this way, which makes it easy to do often. I can say that it looks to me like something beneficial is going on, but somebody with more experience using SG might readily notice a deficiency when water/SG mixtures in any ratio are used.
 
bileduct,



I don't remember reading about mixing water and SG together in a spray bottle and using it as a QD. I remember David talking about mixing Sonus QD and SG in a spray bottle and using this method to apply Sg. Is this what you are talking about?:nixweiss
 
AIO is an awesome prep for SG. And applying the SG is just the icing on the cake.



Yet, AIO by itself is really good.



Depends on what you want really. I'd at least try it to see if you like it, especially if you're swinging towards that direction.



I'd imagine that SD with water is better than nothing, but why not go with something more lubricated like a QD which is made to do so.
 
After I learned to use SG properly, I think it's worth every penny. It's so durable that the downside is that I don't need to apply it very often. I guess that's a plus in the Canadian sloppy winters. :up
 
I'd use the SG if I were you. It definately adds to the look and protection.



As for adding water to SG, I would strongly advise against this, but that's just me. If you want an easy way to use SG try the woo method. It makes SG a breeze.



Bill :up
 
I used AIO/SG for the first time this fall on teh wife's Saturn. I am very impressed with both products. The SG added a slickness to the paint and additional shine. It really looked great with that combo.
 
I use a barely [water] dampened MF towel to apply SG. It aids in getting the application very thin and so far have had NO issues with hazing or product degridation. I started doing this after my first SG application with a yellow foamy pad and had some "thickness" problems - but these were quickly fixed by doing a SONUS QD pass over the truck.
 
Gonzo said:
I use a barely [water] dampened MF towel to apply SG. It aids in getting the application very thin and so far have had NO issues with hazing or product degridation. I started doing this after my first SG application with a yellow foamy pad and had some "thickness" problems - but these were quickly fixed by doing a SONUS QD pass over the truck.
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I'm cool with this. I use a slightly dampened terry applicatort to apply my SG. I find that it goes on smoother/thinner this way. I haven't seen any problems with this.



But I think actually mixing SG and water in spray bottle will kill the SG.



JMHO,



Bill.
 
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