Klasse/Detail Spray question

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Scroder

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Just did the Klasse twins on my 2004 White Civic. Is it ok to use Meguiars NXT Generation Spray Wax as an inbetween after washes since it contains Engineered superior polymers (ESPs)? Found a good deal on it and thought I would try it. Also since winter is coming here in AK, after I wash the car and want to do another layer of Klasse SG this winter is ok even after using the NXT on previous washes? Thanks



Dave
 
There is nothing wrong with using NXT Spray wax as a "booster" LSP but I would not use it if you intend to add another layer of SG. I find SG to be an extremely picky sealant - just does not bond to other products.
 
MCA said:
There is nothing wrong with using NXT Spray wax as a "booster" LSP but I would not use it if you intend to add another layer of SG. I find SG to be an extremely picky sealant - just does not bond to other products.
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Is there anything you recommend than that can be used as a booster that works with SG? I figured since it was acrylic it would. Thanks



Dave
 
Scroder said:
Is there anything you recommend than that can be used as a booster that works with SG? I figured since it was acrylic it would. Thanks



Dave
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You can dilute Klasse SG down to around 4-1 and use it as a booster.
 
Kaiten's suggestions of Sonus Acrylic Spritz/Glanz would be great choices. I use Spritz exclusively with AIO/SG and it works exceptionally well. I have never tried bluzman's 4:1 SG home brew QD but several other Autopians use this w/o any problems.
 
I have used Klasse SG with a 3-1 water to SG ratio as a sealant booster with great results.



I think the 3-1 ratio is what ShortSpark has used with success as well.



It makes a great cheap homebrew alternative to Sonus AG (although I must admit that I keep a few bottles of Sonus AG on hand as well).
 
I think Jeff Werkstatt's would be your best bet..they are developed by Klasse and should work top notch with what you have on now...



I have not seen a bad comment on his product's...the Acrylic Gloss would be your best bet...and I believe you can add a coat of SG over it with no complications....http://www.jeffswerkstatt.com/acrylic-glos.php



AL
 
Beside Sonus, I did use FK425, Aquawax, FK FX100 put on top of KSG. All gave me good result, no

bonding issue at all. I did try apply FX100 and use FK425 to buff off and get a super slick result.



Even after put on all those products I did apply additional layer of KSG and it's totally no problem at

all.



MarcosTan
 
Milestones is right - I use 3 parts distilled water to 1 part SG and it works great as a topper on my silver Honda. You can experiment with other ratios to see what suits you best.



I would not call this concoction a QD really as it does not clean that well. It is best used when the vehicle is spotless (it is part sealant afterall). But there are many other SG compatible "toppers" such as Wolfgang's spritz, Menzerna HGAS, Duragloss AquaWax, Werkstatt's AG among others (I have not tried Sonus but I think it has a part SG formulation in it and should also be super over KSG).



Any of a number of polymer/acrylic based products such as these should work very well with SG and I have used them all with success. I use the homebrew only because I have lots of SG and this is a good way to use some of it up. Also, it is much cheaper than the products listed above when dilluted like this. Just be sure to use it in a mister bottle or rechargeable aerosol can rather than a sprayer. You want a light mist rather than droplets anytime you use SG, diluted or not. Then, simply wowo.
 
Milestones said:
I have used Klasse SG with a 3-1 water to SG ratio as a sealant booster with great results.



I think the 3-1 ratio is what ShortSpark has used with success as well.



It makes a great cheap homebrew alternative to Sonus AG (although I must admit that I keep a few bottles of Sonus AG on hand as well).
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I'm very interested in this - Are you using the 3:1 KSG as a WOWO, or are you spraying, wiping, letting it dry, then wiping off (wondering if the SG even sticks in WOWO)?

Also, I presume you're using distilled water?
 
Abbeysdad:



I'm using 3:1, Water:KSG - with the WOWO method.



I meant to use distilled water and ended up inadvertently using a bottled water product instead. I was concerned that using the bottled water instead of distilled water might cause some problems. However, I had already mixed up 24 oz.s of homebrew (18 oz. water/6 oz KSG) using the bottled water and didn't want to waste the 6 oz.s of SG, so I figured I'd go ahead and give it a shot and see what happened.



I've used my homebrew approximately 3 times after weekly washings over the course of more than a month and it has worked great - slickness/gloss/shine all are as good or better than Sonus AG.



I simply spray on one panel/portion of a panel, apply the product evenly over the panel with a shorter nap MF, then immediately do a final wipe/dry/buff with a different - thick/plush nap MF. If I notice that I let a little of the spray dry in an area without buffing, I just hit it with a quick spray of Sonus AS and wipe off. After one set of short nap/long nap MFs become saturated using WOWO, I switch to a second set.



I don't know what the dilution ratio of Sonus AG is, but the 3:1 KSG homebrew seems to work very similarly to Sonus AG in both application/removal and appearance/protection.
 
Next time I'll use distilled water just to be safe - but the bottled water/SG mix does not seem to be causing any issues with appearance/streaking/removal/protection, etc.
 
Appreciate the feedback. I got to thinking about this, wondering if the SG has a chance to bond, or gets wiped off with the water?

Likewise, when I applied SG the first time, even though I put it on super thin, wiping off was prety tough in spots. A tiny spritz of distilled water would help the wipe down, but I feared I might just be wiping the SG off so I was careful to do this very little.



How did you arrive at a 3:1 ratio? Did you try other ratios?
 
There is a large body of opinion that supports using even straight up KSG as a WOWO product (see the hall of fame portion of Autopia for a long thread about WOWO with KSG).



In my case I'm using the KSG homebrew not as a stand alone sealant/LSP - but as a booster over three coats of straight up KSG applied in the old fashioned apply/let haze/wipe off method.



I decided on the 3:1 ratio simply because Shortspark and several other posters on Autopia had indicated they had success with that ratio. I haven't tried any other ratios but I might play around with it the next few times I mix it up.
 
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