Is this guy serious

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Originally posted by Buffman:

Okay guys, I've been doing some searching on how to go about detailing my car. I'm kinda looking for a general list of what order to do things. I've gotten to the point where I hate the swirl marks in the car, and I know you guys know what to use to get rid of them.



So from what I've been reading, I've come up with this..



1. Wash the car really good. Use a good soap or even dish soap to remove oils and such. Dry car good with the best 100% soft cotten towels I can find, or my dad's leaf blower..



2. Remove other crud (like bugs) with 3ms tar and wax remover



3. 3m Swirl mark remover.



4. Wash again with soap.



5. Apply wax/polish.



Now since the car has 143k on it should I be doing a clay bar, and if yes when should it be done?



Also I can borrow a buddies orbital buffer, but what pads do you recommend me using with the wax/polish and for the 3m swirl mark remover (are you supposed to use a buffer with it?)



Sorry if it's all been answered before guys, but I like to get a clear confirmed answer on everything, so I don't go messing anything up..



Matt

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Matt: I'm getting back to you here, owning a detail garage (sig pic) with 24-years experience. Don't know why you would bother with clay unless you have surface contaminents on car like hard-sap, paint overspray, rail-dust, etc. Next, I see your RM is DCM - take it from somebody with two black RM's, once you get this car detailed, you must exercise care drying it or you will cumulatively sctatch it with each pass of that terry-cloth towel you're thinking about. Here's THE most careful drying method (by the way, the leaf blower is a good idea, but unless your in the middle of no-where, you're gonna piss people off) Use "The Original Califoria Water Blade" (about $20) to wisk heavy water off tops and upper sides. Terry towels for glass. Genuine leather large chamois (about $25) dunked in new bucket of Meguire's #62 car wash soap. Hereafter, all product #'s are Meguire's. Wring chamois and wring it more between terry towel, use to dry car, top to bottom, then go over it again. That soapy water you dunk it in every so often provides lubricity which makes it glide. To detail, use tar remover on tops, if needed, upper sides, lowers, finally, wheel openings. polish with terry towel pieces by hand first, using # 83 dual-action cleaner-polish (by the way, I like the fact that Meguire's has been a family business for over 100 years. Just how long has "Zaino" been around?) I like to put painter's tape over any paint-stripes to avoid eroding them when polishing heavily. Now, that you hand polished and were able to focus on any scratches/blemishes and left #83 on car, use friends orbital buffer with nice new heavy-weight terry bonnet to machine polish with more #83. Remove with terry towel about 80-90% of polish. Now, hand polish with #81 "hand-polish", use buffer with more if you like. By the way, I use an older bonnet on buffer head with my newer bonnet over top. Half way through car, I turn bonnet over to a fresh side. Take off #81 about 95%. Now use Meguire's Tech-Wax by hand (comes with applicator) Each step above, you are using a new terry towel to remove product and with wax removal, use one towel to remove most and yet another to buff. While buffing, spray some (I can't think of the # cause I'm gettin tired) Meguire's pink detail spray on car to buff out any wax swirls and remove any residual material. Soft tooth-brush is good for crevices and a tongue-depressor inside a rag gets polish out of gaps. Use my chamois in soapy water dry method to wipe car if it gets light dust/road film on it & you can use detail spray also. I've got good info from experts in this forum so I'm glad to share my expertise with with you/others, Regards, Frank. By the way, many of your dings could be removed by "Dent-Wizard" technician from back-side of panels, usually w/o taking anything apart.
 
1) He can't spell

2) His methods are dated to say the least

3) You always need clay if it's never been done before, even on a new car

4) Tell people to stay away from that detailing shop.



People like that keep me in business :)
 
1) Yes he cant spell, or use line breaks. That is one tough to read paragraph!



2) Quite dated, but not altogether Wrong

3) Yeah clay should be used in most instances. It all depend on the level of perfection you are going for. This guy was around before clay, and probably doesn't quite get it.

4) Stay OUT!

5) YOU and YOUR work keep you in business. You just may have to clean up after him every now and again!
 
All in all it's not bad advice. The question of it being "dated" is subjective as many people doing this for years and years use products and techniques that they are most familiar with.



I personally don't care for the water blade or a chamois but there again its subjective.



Anthony
 
i find it odd that this person suggested not using terry towels for drying (good advice) but then go on and suggest a water blade, which can be bad if something is on the paint.



the best advice you can give to anyone asking about detailing, go to www.autopia.org ;)
 
Actually, I think his response is typical of a detailer who got started in1980. Anybody remember the state of personal computers in 1980? Me? I had an atari!



I think that I, somewhere along that 24 year period, would find a groove that works for me and my clients. Old School? Probably, but I'll bet his work is outstanding...



Hey, he mentioned Meguire's Tech-Wax (NXT), so he's not way behind.



Jim
 
Good points there guys. He sounds like the people working at some of south australia's in house detail shops. I've visited alot of them and either the place is a dump or they only use old worn out rags, no microfibre to be seen anywhere and still think that you polish by hand in little circles.

I rang the boss from one shop and blew him away. He believes that the days of detail shops doing really awesome work is gone. He mostly details car yard vehicles and even told me that he applies window cleaner onto the paint to give it a quick shine.

Another shop I went to were circular hand polishing a red mazda and the stuff was that thickly applied.



Only two I visited passed the test. None of them have even heard of this place or use or heard of the boutique brands we use. Yesterday I watched a guy machine buffing a station wagons roof out in the hot sun and in circular motions.



They all machine cut and polish the same cars over and over again throughout the year and their idea of paint protection is one coat of a polymer sealant. Also they wax cars with no surface prep. Wash and wax, even though the car I saw was full of fallout and felt like a cheese grater



OH BOY
 
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