is it safe to machine wax? black car

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Surfer8210

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Hi all,



first post, (i actually registered specifically for this one question)



OK, got a black 02 porsche this past March. washed it over a dozen times, and now swirls galore. Now, my local detailer (a pretty good one) is saying i should i get a nice coat of wax on it. they could do it for me, but they use the machine to do it, not hand.



Now I have heard, throughout the years, that using a machine is a nice way to introduce MORE swirls into the paint. i have heard hand wax is the way to go. can you all please confirm for me if this is or is not true?



Once i find out that the machine wax is "safe", I'll go down immiedately and get the wax done. if not, i've already ordered Pinnacle Detail Kit (souvran paste) to it myself, by hand.



please tell me what you all think.

thanks
 
A rotary buffer is only good as the skill of the beholder. A random orbital on the other hand, is very hard to ruin paint. Id say let him do it if he knows what he's doing. Get a contract or whatever just in case he does something wrong and make him responsible.
 
If he is a good detailer he might have suggested more than just a coat of wax though.



I would think he'd be wanting to do something to get the swirl marks out before the wax is applied. The wax will only hide the swirls for so long.
 
yes, he mentioned all the talk about glaze, etc..



so, even on a new car with black paint, using the orbital wouldnt adversly affect my paint?



thanks

Shant
 
No.





But this probly wouldnt fix the problem if youre getting swirl marks now. How do you wash/dry your car? Even if you remove the swirls this time, itll come back if youre doing something wrong.
 
An orbital with the proper products wont harm your paint, as long as the pad is not dirty and he dosent let the machine dwell over one spot for 20 minutes on high speed, you will be fine.



A rotary however is another story, rotary buffers spin in full orbits, rather than random orbits. Therefore a rotary will create a lot more heat and friction that can burn, and can permanately damage your paint. Like someone else said, the outcome all depends on how well the user knows what hes doing.



A glaze will just hide swirls. What he needs to use is a good SMR. Most glazes contain lots of oils and fillers that make the paint look really nice until the wax on top of it wears off, and all those fillers wash right away over a few weeks.



An SMR, however will actually remove a very thin layer of clear, to leave a new, swirl free finish. SMRs take more work than glazes though, because its a long process of working the product until it dries, then buffing the residue, then just repeating over and over until all swirls are finally removed. It can be a time consuming process.
 
Shant, I to have an '02 Black Porsche and it looked horrible when I took delivery (I'm exaggerating a little). Most likely, you don't have any major swirls that can't be removed or covered well enough with the Pinnacle paint cleaner that comes with your kit. That is unless the dealer went to town on the car with a rotary buffer and induced some major swirls. If you didn't see them initially with whatever wax they put on it, the swirls probably aren't that bad. Actually, after a dozen washes, you may have introduced toweling marks (look like swirls). Even being very gentle with cotton towels, I would sometimes see slight toweling marks. Look into the waffle weave Micro Fiber towels to dry the car, they are much less likely to induce toweling marks. Also, what are you washing the car with? Get yourself a gentle sheepskin mit. Always work on the car in the shade and use linear hand motions - don't go around in circles - wash, dry, polish and wax in the direction the air flows over the car. I personally would not give the car back to the dealer. Try the Pinnacle products yourself first and then if you don't like the results, search or ask the board for more help. Finally, if you want professional help, ask around to find a reputable detailer. Truthfully, it's hard to keep a black car blemish free. I take great care and time maintaining the finish on my car and it's not easy. The paint was prepped (by me) and now is waxed often and always QD'd after a wash. Good luck!:xyxthumbs
 
to everyone-



thanks for the great replys. i will take all your advice.



by the way, i believe that I'm using some high quality products. i ordered from properautocare.com almost all my supplies (pinnacle shampoo, chenille wash mitt, microfiber towels). i do the "start at top of car and work down method" as well.
 
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