Interesting issue - Microfibre finishing disc/soft polish finishing better than foam

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Detailology Oz

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G'day Guys

I had a mate ask me for a favour to fix up his $600 dollar Ford Falcon AU that's nearly the same colour as my car which is series 1 model, his is series 2

the damage you see is not just some fogging, its from severe scratches, wash marring and heavy swirls
the camera didnt really show just how bad it was.

So I went at it with our soft polish (finishing polish mainly but corrector for soft paints too) as I no longer use compounds (since 2013) due to the sheer power of the machines I have and the 20 plus pad material types there are including some mega powerful fibre based pads and worlds softest wool pads

Flexipads microfibre finishing disc was chosen (we use these to correct most times) and got a terrific result and removed 3 to 4 microns of paint total

However when I decided to see just how much gloss I could get out of it via rotary and foam, 6.25mm orbit throw random orbital and all other foams (I have many up to 120 pore per inch) and every machine I have (nine in total) and the funny thing was that regardless of the machine, technique or pad, every foam made the paint gloss (colour richness) slightly less glossy

Ive never had that before, certainly a first for me
Im not complaining, I for one have never really experienced that DA haze from microfibre that people like larry kosilla and others talk about but then again Im not using compounds





















 
Detailology Oz said:
G'day Guys

I had a mate ask me for a favour to fix up his $600 dollar Ford Falcon AU that's nearly the same colour as my car which is series 1 model, his is series 2

the damage you see is not just some fogging, its from severe scratches, wash marring and heavy swirls
the camera didnt really show just how bad it was.

So I went at it with our soft polish (finishing polish mainly but corrector for soft paints too) as I no longer use compounds (since 2013) due to the sheer power of the machines I have and the 20 plus pad material types there are including some mega powerful fibre based pads and worlds softest wool pads

Flexipads microfibre finishing disc was chosen (we use these to correct most times) and got a terrific result and removed 3 to 4 microns of paint total

However when I decided to see just how much gloss I could get out of it via rotary and foam, 6.25mm orbit throw random orbital and all other foams (I have many up to 120 pore per inch) and every machine I have (nine in total) and the funny thing was that regardless of the machine, technique or pad, every foam made the paint gloss (colour richness) slightly less glossy

Ive never had that before, certainly a first for me
Im not complaining, I for one have never really experienced that DA haze from microfibre that people like larry kosilla and others talk about but then again Im not using compounds.
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Da haze is caused not only by the abrasive but by the stroke length. A long throw polisher will cause haze even with an smat like 205.
 
Detailology Oz said:
G'day Guys

I had a mate ask me for a favour to fix up his $600 dollar Ford Falcon AU that's nearly the same colour as my car which is series 1 model, his is series 2

the damage you see is not just some fogging, its from severe scratches, wash marring and heavy swirls
the camera didnt really show just how bad it was.

So I went at it with our soft polish (finishing polish mainly but corrector for soft paints too) as I no longer use compounds (since 2013) due to the sheer power of the machines I have and the 20 plus pad material types there are including some mega powerful fibre based pads and worlds softest wool pads

Flexipads microfibre finishing disc was chosen (we use these to correct most times) and got a terrific result and removed 3 to 4 microns of paint total

However when I decided to see just how much gloss I could get out of it via rotary and foam, 6.25mm orbit throw random orbital and all other foams (I have many up to 120 pore per inch) and every machine I have (nine in total) and the funny thing was that regardless of the machine, technique or pad, every foam made the paint gloss (colour richness) slightly less glossy

Ive never had that before, certainly a first for me
Im not complaining, I for one have never really experienced that DA haze from microfibre that people like larry kosilla and others talk about but then again Im not using compounds
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This is why I prefer having an assortment of pad and polish combinations. I remember polishing a newer Lexus with super soft paint and I had to finish with a rotary and cutting pad! If I used a DA with a softer foam pad, I would make the paint very hazy. Sometimes you just run into paint systems that don't work well with what you normally use. But I'm glad to hear you were able to adjust your technique to get great results.

The Driver said:
Da haze is caused not only by the abrasive but by the stroke length. A long throw polisher will cause haze even with an smat like 205.
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DA haze can also be caused by applying too much pressure. I worked on a red Jeep last night and towards the end of the night I was getting tired and thought I would apply extra pressure to my FLEX 3401 to speed up the process. But it ended up putting in DA haze. So I backed off the pressure with the same LC Hybrid Orange Pads + 3D AAT Compound and I didn't get any DA haze.

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Detailology Oz- No surprise that your work was once again superb, but yeah that was interesting about how it worked out with the pads. And it'll be interesting to see if it works out that way again on another vehicle/paint.

jrock645 said:
So help me out here... Whats the moral of this story?
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IMO the moral of the story is that you just never know how things'll turn out because every detail is different.
 
I have been fortunate enough to spend the last 4 days with Kevin Brown at NXT east. Read his articles on water polishing and I think it may help.
 
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