I saw this car on the road!

If the door trim is pure fiberglass... how do you grip the door to shut it from the inside? I didn't see any handles.
 
:down :rolleyes:



You need to install an actuator inside the doors for it to open. Try to think of whats used in your trunk. The only problem thats wrong is that when your battery dies, so does your only way of opening the door.
 
he did not ask how to open the doors.....he asked how to close the doors. But I would guess you just roll the window down and shut it like that. haha
 
even as a honda guy, i have to admit that stuff looks a little silly. I mean come on, it's a hatch back. I can't imagine a situation in which a 4 cyl hatch needs a scoop ON TOP of the roof. :p
 
Sorry but IMO someone beat that thing silly with a very big ugly hammer. Oh, and it needs some more yellow stickers so it can go faster ;)



And it sorely needs a huge wing on the back... especially since it's front wheel drive.
 
Please tell me you shot that person when you saw that car. It is one thing to do tasteful exterior modificaton, or even extreme mods, but come on. That has to be one of the worst automotive atrocities since the Aztek. "Ooh, I know I will take RSX Headlights, C-Class taillights, and mix a bunch of other crap together and end up with a bad *** Honda."
 
someone told me once that the Aztec was a partial abortion at Pontiac. Allegedly, the folks at Pontiac had been developing an agressive new sporty sedan, and a new minivan grocery getter type vehicle. When funding fell short (GM is losing money and market share almost yearly now), the higher ups told R&D, we have money for one new platform, just combine the two designs. And thus, the Aztec was born. :)



I have no idea if that's true or not, but it sure would explain why the Aztec looks like the ugly retarded son of a minivan and a grand am.
 
jem7vwh said:
someone told me once that the Aztec was a partial abortion at Pontiac. Allegedly, the folks at Pontiac had been developing an agressive new sporty sedan, and a new minivan grocery getter type vehicle. When funding fell short (GM is losing money and market share almost yearly now), the higher ups told R&D, we have money for one new platform, just combine the two designs. And thus, the Aztec was born. :)



I have no idea if that's true or not, but it sure would explain why the Aztec looks like the ugly retarded son of a minivan and a grand am.



I think it is funny how when the Aztek and Rendezvous sales were sucking (were?!?), some GM execs had to ditch their nice full size luxury cars and drive the Azteks and Rendezvous. :D
 
jem7vwh said:
I can't imagine a situation in which a 4 cyl hatch needs a scoop ON TOP of the roof.




Obviously it's for super high speeds. It catches air and lifts the middle of the car, giving it a higher percentage of sprung weight on the wheels and therefore better traction...:nixweiss yeah, that's it.



Hey, at least they went all the way with the car, even if it doesn't appeal to everyone, or hardly anyone at all.
 
IndigoGTI said:
I think it is funny how when the Aztek and Rendezvous sales were sucking (were?!?), some GM execs had to ditch their nice full size luxury cars and drive the Azteks and Rendezvous. :D



Not sure if you are just going by car magazines' bashing, your gut feeling, or what, but the Rendezvous has been a big sales sucess for Buick (outselling the RX300). Of course a fact like that would never get in the way of automotive journalism, so I can fully understand why you might not be aware of it.



If you've never been in an Aztek, it really is a ton of versatility and value for the dollar. I can understand it being hard or impossible to get past the look, as I find it pretty hideous, but it isn't a bad vehicle to drive (as long as you don't drive by too many reflective windows). But again, you only get praise for being utilitarian in a car magazine if you are some horrifically bland $30,000 Camry or something.
 
actually, I think that the car magazines try to be pretty fair given past results. Every year, GM and Ford trot out the car that's going to be the competition for the Camry as the worlds best seller. And the magazines seem to do their best to give the benefit of the doubt. But year after year, it never works for GM and Ford. And it's not for lack of looks or price, it's reliability. Until Chevy can consistently build a car that lasts for 150-200k miles (and I don't mean those one or two miracle trucks or 1970 Chevelles, but average production cars), then they won't get the label utilitarian.





As a perfect example, my University recently decided to no longer buy Chevy vans and opt for Honda minivans and Toyota Trucks instead. Their rational was as follows, "The board has determined that although the Toyota trucks run nearly 50% more than similar Ford and Chevrolet vehicles, our experience proves that they last more than 100% longer."



Until Pontiac can get that in writing about their cars, the labels "reliable" and "utilitarian" will never find them.



OH YEAH.... even if they do get it right, they need to tell someone about it. The Olds Aurora is a great example of the best Oldsmobile that nobody ever saw. Advertising is a necessity.
 
Aurora40 said:
Not sure if you are just going by car magazines' bashing, your gut feeling, or what, but the Rendezvous has been a big sales sucess for Buick (outselling the RX300). Of course a fact like that would never get in the way of automotive journalism, so I can fully understand why you might not be aware of it.



I don't know the sales numbers for the Rendezvous, but I will say it's the only Buick I see on the road with any regularity.
 
IndigoGTI said:
I think it is funny how when the Aztek and Rendezvous sales were sucking (were?!?), some GM execs had to ditch their nice full size luxury cars and drive the Azteks and Rendezvous. :D



I personally hate the looks of the Aztek but have to admit that I drove one of the higher end models and it was pretty nice to drive. I would be embarrassed to be seen in it but it still drove very nicely. Also, the Aztek (and the Rendesvous) are both built on the Chevy Venture platform and I don't believe they were built as a compromise rather a poorly executed attempt to niche market a vehicle.
 
RemmoSi said:
RE: roof scoop

Obviously it's for super high speeds. It catches air and lifts the middle of the car, giving it a higher percentage of sprung weight on the wheels and therefore better traction...:nixweiss yeah, that's it.
The roof scoop is a ripoff of rally car "styling", if you want to call it that. It's an air vent, intended to provide fresh air to the cabin that's pulled from above the dust being kicked up by the cars on dirt or gravel. It is rather out of place on a Honda, though (unless Honda has a hidden rally heritage that I don't know about).



Tort
 
jem7vwh said:
actually, I think that the car magazines try to be pretty fair given past results. Every year, GM and Ford trot out the car that's going to be the competition for the Camry as the worlds best seller. And the magazines seem to do their best to give the benefit of the doubt. But year after year, it never works for GM and Ford. And it's not for lack of looks or price, it's reliability. Until Chevy can consistently build a car that lasts for 150-200k miles (and I don't mean those one or two miracle trucks or 1970 Chevelles, but average production cars), then they won't get the label utilitarian.



Maybe we don't read the same car magazines. The ones I read test cars over a period of a day or at most a week. They occasionally test cars for a year or two(not exactly long term), and excuse problems with foreign cars as trivial while complaining about correctly functioning features of domestics that they just don't like. It would be pretty hard to come up with any real durability feedback from that, but of course it doesn't stop them from speculating and trying to state opinion as fact. The ones I read excuse engine surges, bucking, stalling, and excessive oil consumption in a BMW because it's so "sporty". And they chalk electronic or transmission problems with japanese cars up to one-time glitches or rare exceptions. They rave about a Lexus by saying it is "like a jewelry box" (yeah, that's real helpful) and bash American cars for having a readable clock (must be for all the old people who buy them). They complain about GM's personalization features because when 20 journalists try to switch cars every 20 minutes, it gets aggravating (apparently not enough to read the manual and turn them off, though). It is never a huge, obvious bias, but rather small subtle things like implying that domestics will fall apart (if this is actually the case, it shouldn't be hard to supply statistics rather than just pushing stereotypes). They review brand new Toyotas and say things like "you know the reliability is there" as if it is some universal truth that Toyotas don't break. They aren't concerned that they have zero evidence to back that up because it is a brand new model, but no reason that should get in the way of journalism. Hell, I've seen the Aurora get cricisized in a comparo for not costing enough, while a $40,000 cramped V6 Lexus Camry is considered the ultimate bargain. They are like the 60 minutes or Dateline NBC of the auto world. They have an opinion already and want to push it as fact. I eagerly await the day Fox News starts publishing a car magazine...
 
Although I totally hate the styling of that Civic, I have to give him props for coming up with something totally original (even if it is a mix of other cars), and for doing it well. And thank God he didn't put one of those damn "bleacher" wings on the back.
 
Aurora40 said:
Maybe we don't read the same car magazines. The ones I read test cars over a period of a day or at most a week. They occasionally test cars for a year or two(not exactly long term), and excuse problems with foreign cars as trivial while complaining about correctly functioning features of domestics that they just don't like. It would be pretty hard to come up with any real durability feedback from that, but of course it doesn't stop them from speculating and trying to state opinion as fact. The ones I read excuse engine surges, bucking, stalling, and excessive oil consumption in a BMW because it's so "sporty". And they chalk electronic or transmission problems with japanese cars up to one-time glitches or rare exceptions. They rave about a Lexus by saying it is "like a jewelry box" (yeah, that's real helpful) and bash American cars for having a readable clock (must be for all the old people who buy them). They complain about GM's personalization features because when 20 journalists try to switch cars every 20 minutes, it gets aggravating (apparently not enough to read the manual and turn them off, though). It is never a huge, obvious bias, but rather small subtle things like implying that domestics will fall apart (if this is actually the case, it shouldn't be hard to supply statistics rather than just pushing stereotypes). They review brand new Toyotas and say things like "you know the reliability is there" as if it is some universal truth that Toyotas don't break. They aren't concerned that they have zero evidence to back that up because it is a brand new model, but no reason that should get in the way of journalism. Hell, I've seen the Aurora get cricisized in a comparo for not costing enough, while a $40,000 cramped V6 Lexus Camry is considered the ultimate bargain. They are like the 60 minutes or Dateline NBC of the auto world. They have an opinion already and want to push it as fact. I eagerly await the day Fox News starts publishing a car magazine...



Just guessing here, but I would draw a few conclusions here:



A. Cars get a reputation for reliability for a reason. Despite your personal experience, no matter how cool you think you are, you probably don't test drive as many cars as Motor Trend. These people drive cars for a living. I don't care to guess your age, but chances are that you don't have more experience than that of the staff there. Furthermore, they are bound to be less biased than you. You PAID for your car and thus you have a great (even if subconscious) need to believe you own a great car. Those folks don't. They aren't paid more or less to like Ford or Nissan.



B. Compare apples to apples. I found the Camry on Toyota.com and Consumer Guides to top out at near $25k. So your comments about a 30k Camry etc are petty much BS. The Toyota Camry might seem cramped compared to a car that really does cost 30k, but compared to the BS that Dodge, Olds and Chevy put out in that genre, the Camry blows away similar Achievas, Intrepids, and Malibus.



C. The magazines do not worship imports. In just the last issue of Motor Trend I picked up, there were 3 articles praising the Chevrolet Corvette, and another article picking apart the deficiencies in the Accord, the Camry and the Altima. If anything, it seems the media wants badly to see GM and Ford do better.



Sounds like you have personal issue with imports that have more to do with personal emotional and financial investment.



Funny how when you point a finger, 4 more are pointing back at you.:sosad
 
jem7vwh said:
B. Compare apples to apples. I found the Camry on Toyota.com and Consumer Guides to top out at near $25k. So your comments about a 30k Camry etc are petty much BS. The Toyota Camry might seem cramped compared to a car that really does cost 30k, but compared to the BS that Dodge, Olds and Chevy put out in that genre, the Camry blows away similar Achievas, Intrepids, and Malibus.




I was referring to the ES300... It can easily be loaded up to over $40 grand. (and do you really think a Camry is as roomy as an Impala? Maybe you need to try sitting in both of them. The Impala is the one that is in the $25K range. The Malibu is much cheaper. The Achieva went away like 5 years ago.)



Draw all the conclusions you want about me. I don't have to be a professional test driver (nor do I have to sell my car) to question what I read in car magazines, or to notice the bias and double-standards.



P.S. You do realize that Motor Trend was doing a 50th anniversary thing on the 'vette... That's why there were so many articles about it.
 
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