I just received the latest CMA e mail

I have a question... what's so special about "European" foam??! Does it have a funny accent?



Those new CCS dual-compound pads look like they'll fall apart with the first wash.
 
That was a good one pipspeak! but on the free shipping and 10 percent off is not bad at all if one is looking for some items (not the Pads).
 
this is what I don't get.



OEM-Style, CCS Technology, 6.5 inch Foam Pads



I apologize for these long product descriptions but we spent a year adapting and testing these pads before we brought them to market. I know they will be cloned by competitors using inferior foams, backing and glues. They'll be touted as the latest advancement in polishing without any mention of draw-backs or trade-offs. I feel it's important that our customers understand what goes into our pads and the trade-offs involved in bringing a less expensive product to market.





To me they look just like the pads you get from Autogeek NOW. Am i wrong?
 
tdekany said:
this is what I don't get.



OEM-Style, CCS Technology, 6.5 inch Foam Pads



I apologize for these long product descriptions but we spent a year adapting and testing these pads before we brought them to market. I know they will be cloned by competitors using inferior foams, backing and glues. They'll be touted as the latest advancement in polishing without any mention of draw-backs or trade-offs. I feel it's important that our customers understand what goes into our pads and the trade-offs involved in bringing a less expensive product to market.





To me they look just like the pads you get from Autogeek NOW. Am i wrong?
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The only thing that I see different is the backing pad. It appears to be black and the one's that I recieved from Autogeek are white. I like the pad but hate the thin white velcro backing. It comes off when pulling off the PC and washes off if put into a washer.
 
cwcad said:
The only thing that I see different is the backing pad. It appears to be black and the one's that I recieved from Autogeek are white. I like the pad but hate the thin white velcro backing. It comes off when pulling off the PC and washes off if put into a washer.
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I have white and green pads that came with a black pad. Feels very sturdy. ???
 
tdekany said:
To me they look just like the pads you get from Autogeek NOW. Am i wrong?
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I was about to buy some from AG and they look identical to me but perhaps a bit thinner (and with different color velcro, as has been pointed out). I think it states 7/8" thick, which seems a tad skimpy.



Now I'm thinking about getting the dual compound versions but they're pricier... close to Sonus prices.
 
I remember the last time I started a thread about them sending an email about their new wax, some people didn't get any email from them. This time I didn't receive anything from them.



Like tdekany mentioned, if I'm reading it correctly and based on the pictures they just seem like the regular AG CCS pads. He does mention that these pads are a step down and they cost less. Maybe the difference is in the "premium" glue and Velcro brand backings compared to the AG pads?



I don't think it's pure BS. He gives an honest feedback of the trade-offs. Of course he's going to tout the constant pressure foam CCS pads to be better than the generic OEM and the competition's (you can only buy it from him), but that's expected. Whether or not their more expensive pad is better is a different story, as there seems to be quite a few complaints about it falling apart too soon.



Whenever I read Terry's description, he seems honest to me but I have to remember that he's in the business of selling me products, so I have to take his opinion with a grain of salt. Now if I wanted pure BS, I just have to visit Chemical Guy's website. The CG website provides a good laugh too as I've seen 5th graders that are better spellers than whoever it writing CG's product descriptions.



EDIT: Just got their email newsletter in my inbox
 
This course backing material can cause scratches if it were to come into contact with a painted surface. Again, this requires the operator to pay a little more attention when working in tight spaces and around mirrors and wings.
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And where lies the problem? Anything not suitable for making contact with paint, should be avoided in making contact with paint. Next we'll be dipping bottles in rubber coating and clipping fingernails shorter. Adapt people, adapt!

As for CCS, not my cup of tea, and I just dont buy the philosophy behind it. No knocks against LC, great idea for those whom it works for, just not me. Long live flat bottom pads....at 1.25"!
 
tdekany said:
I have white and green pads that came with a black pad. Feels very sturdy. ???
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Well, I am glad to hear that they changed the pads because I have been giving the pads I have away because the weren't holding up to my wash regimine.
 


pipspeak said:
I have a question... what's so special about "European" foam??! Does it have a funny accent?
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I know they will be cloned by competitors using inferior foams, backing and glues.



Ok, this is what I didn't care to read. Inferior how? If you sell ccs pads, they are made by LC. At what point does that become inferior?



Plus, if CMA worked for a whole year on this, how can others have it already?
 
My initial take when I saw this is that CMA has been trying selling their unique constant pressure pads and but seeing that a lot of people just buying plain CCS pads (Patrick still likes the plain foam) so they basically try to declare what most sell (Danase, AG) as OEM as if this is a not as good product to position it. They just a piece of the action now since they are not getting enough upsells to their own pads.



It is clear that some shops are trying to make some simple products more than they are (microfiber towels are the big one) that drive up prices (profits). CCS technology may be another.
 


Lake Country, OEM-Style, 7/8-inch, CCS Technology, foam pads from Proper autocare



CCS technology, which keeps polish on the surface of the pad, allows the pad thickness to be reduced from 1-1/4 inches to only 7/8 inch. (Originally, a 1-1/4 inch pad thickness was set as an industry standard because it prevented residues from reaching the backing plate.) Because the pads will not be washed

A new product recommendation by Terry Freiberg



These are adaptations of the OEM pads



Lake Country, OEM-Style, 7/8-inch, CCS Technology, foam pads from Proper autocare.



Why actual OEM pads are not perfect for the enthusiast:



First the size is wrong. OEM pads are 4 to 5-1/4 inches in diameter because they are used to remove spot blemishes, not polish entire panels. Second, the world's automakers do not wash and reuse pads.



CCS technology, which keeps polish on the surface of the pad, allows the pad thickness to be reduced from 1-1/4 inches to only 7/8 inch. (Originally, a 1-1/4 inch pad thickness was set as an industry standard because it prevented residues from reaching the backing plate.) Because the pads will not be washed...



Classic Motoring Accessories worked with Lake Country Mfg. for nearly a year to adapt this OEM style of pad for enthusiast use.



We increase the diameter of the pad to 6-1/2 inches for whole-vehicle detailing.









The pads that Autogeek sell's that are also made by the same manufacturer "Lake Country"



Lake Country’s CCS Dual Action 6.5 inch Smart Padsâ„¢ Foam Pads are flat full contact buffing pads



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Customers beware of so-called 6.5� CCS OEM pads! These pads are just slimmer versions of the 6.5� CCS foam pads. These thinner pads are only 7/8� thick and offer less resistance to the heat and vibration generated by the machine, less durability, and less of a cushion between the polisher and your vehicle. It’s just less of a pad in our opinion. We passed on carrying the OEM pads because they just do not meet our standards of quality.



Autogeek carries the original 6.5â€� CCS Foam Pads that are 1 ¼â€� thick. These pads provide more cushioning between the polisher and the paint, more resistance to heat and vibration, and more durable foam. You get 30% more quality Lake Country foam in our CCS Smart Padsâ„¢ Professional Foam Pads. Don’t be fooled by lesser quality foam pads that look like CCS Foam Pads. If it’s not 1.25â€� thick, it’s not a genuine 6.5â€� CCS Smart Padsâ„¢ Professional Foam Pad.









 
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