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andrew43

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Okay, like I mentioned in a previous post, I am caught in a debate with another automotive enthusiast (avid Zymol user). He would like to know why the ingredients for Zaino are not published anywhere, which is a legitimate concern. So, who has an ingredient listings on Zaino so I can gather some MSDS info?



I dont want to call Sal..someone here has to be able to help!
 
Mind you, if Sal published the ingredients to his products, there'd be a whole slew of clones out there. It's a kept secret for his interests.
 
That doesn't sound quite right to me. Aren't these guys required to disclose the ingredients of their products? Obviously, they do not have to release proportions, but at least ingredient names?



Wow, in my industry (pharmaceutical), not releasing ingredient names would get you thrown in prison! ;)



How else do we know for sure there are no harmful chemicals in the formulation?
 
I want to know what is in the Zaino car shampoo so I can make my own and drink it. Man it smells like candy. Somehow it brings back childhood memories. Cotton candy?
 
I agree with Yell00ITR about the MSDS. I am sure that Zaino is used by detailing businesses and that these businesses are required to have an MSDS for each product their employees use. The MSDS may list that some of the chemicals used are proprietary but they must still supply an MSDS. They must disclose what type of safety precautions are required (if any), how to dispose of it, etc...



I am in the plastics industry and we even keep MSDS's for highlighters, correction fluid, etc... I find it very difficult to believe that Zaino is above the requirements of supplying MSDS's upon request.
 
Anyone who purchases any chemical product may request a MSDS from the manufacturer. The manufacturer of the chemical must fulfill the request.



It is a federal law.
 
Im with Detailking, no one's forcing you to buy it. And honestly, if you have ever read an MSDS, you would understand that it tells you very little about what is actually in the product. And once you have read it, would you have the knowledge to even analyze it and make any sort of informed opinion? They are written for people who understand chemistry, not a consumer.



Have you even tried contacting Sal to see if he would provide you with the MSDS?
 
You guys are talking about the Hazard Communication Law, Title 29, Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) 1200. This law pertains strictly to the workplace, that is chemicals which workers use, or are exposed to in the performance of their job. This work-place law does not pertain to products you purchases. So how can you find out what’s in a chemical product you may purchase, well the EPA does have a law to protect consumers, its call the Right to Know Law. When requested, a manufacturing company of a product must supply an individual with information about the safety of their products, that’s all. If a product is not hazardous, or contain no hazardous ingredients (as defined by numerous sources and references), then there are no requirements to provide disclosure of the exact recipe. If the product is proprietary or trade secret, then the law allows non-disclosure in order to prevent the company from suffering if the ingredients are listed. If there are chemicals in the product that are harmful, then all the company has to do, and many do, is provide information on the class of chemical, i.e. aromatic hydrocarbons instead of the individual chemical, and provide recommendations of protective measures (like, use in well ventilated area), or personal protective equipment
 
can be like reading Greek to the average Joe. As a firefighter, I deal with them quite often in doing hazmat response calls. There is no set format for MSDS information....it is left up to the manufacturers to come up with their version. Some of them are logically laid out, while others leave a lot to be desired.


The Zymolians tout the fact that their product is made with Brazilian white carnauba, beeswax, polypropylis and natural botanical oils...but I have yet to see an MSDS sheet offered with the product.

Sal and the Zainoians will never reveal their trade secrets. They do have MSDS sheets at their manufacturing facility, that is part of the laws Jav is referring to.

<strong class='bbc'>Common sense (wow...what a concept!)[/b] should let us know that if an automotive cleaning/protectant product contains petroleum distillates, other chemicals, etc. that we should <strong class='bbc'>pay heed to and follow the label directions for the proper use and disposal of said materials! As Homer Simpson would so eloquently state...<em class='bbc'>Doh![/i] :D [/b]


[Edited by Gonzo0903 on 08-09-2001 at 09:12 PM]
 
Hi guys,



First off, MSDS sheets arent hard to read, but then again, I did work as a chemical engineering assistant back in college (majored in it) and also have to deal with MSDS on a regular basis in pharmacies. I also understand that it is only required at a workplace. And, yes, they are quite useless unless you are looking for safety data.



But, that isnt my point. I may have used improper terminology earlier. Im talking about a simple list of ingredients. How does Z5 fill swirls? Silicone? What gives Z1 its unique (and unpleasant) odor? How do we know??



I like the results I have gotten from Zaino and will continue to use the products until I find a reason not to. But, it is pretty dumb to say that we should not buy Zaino products because we want to know what is in them. That is pretty unscientific and I would not expect a chemical engineer to have that viewpoint..but..whatever.



Guess there are certain questions that weren't meant to be answered.



Is there a God?



Why is the galaxy so large?



What are the ingredients in Zaino?



:)
 
Zaino you *might* get the ingredients, but there are some things best left alone. What I mean is, if you get the ingredients somebody here with half-smarts is going to pick

apart the ingredients and find something that is supposedly *bad* (what is not bad but works?) and everybody is going to start to treat it like they did with Simple Green a couple of weeks ago. Most people liked the stuff till one guy looked at the ingredients and said, "well that ingredient is bad" and now nobody wants to touch the stuff.

I can GUARANTEE there are so-called *bad* ingredients in Zaino, no question about it. Probably loaded with it, why do you think it works so good? Beleive me, it's not made with Honey and Oats! It's probably made with every new chemical polymer and short-chain thing-a-ma-jig know to man! I think it's Sals trade secret and should be left that way.
 
The average John and Jane Q. Public would not be able to decipher the information on the MSDS sheet. There are more abbreviations on those ( for example, LD50, LC50, PEL, STEL-V, IDLH, PPE, DOT hazard classes, etc.) than there are on these boards! :D
 
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