How many passes???

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cobrar97

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When using product such as OP, OC, etc at 1100-1500, how many passes should it take to remove swirls and light scratches? I've heard that people are doing 2-3 passes over a 2'x2' area. I do 8 or more and still have marks left. Any advice?
 
hmm green should do the trick. Do you have the orange or yellow? Also what type of vehicle are you working on?



Walter
 
The last one I did was a black Acura TL. It seemed to actually make the swirls worse when I used OC. I had to use OP to get them back out, and I was left with what was there originally. Very frustrating. I also did a red Honda Accord that was the same way. Both cars are '05...so not really old.



With the green pad, how many passes should I be making to get correction of swirls? And how quickly should that pass be?
 
Also remember that some people's "passes" are different. If you are seeing people post making 2-3 passes, it may mean 2-3 applications of polish. But I would think that would be limited to those using a DA polisher, not a rotary.
 
I dunno, I might have overdone it this weekend as it was my first time with a rotary but I did one pass at 600 to spread, 1 pass at 900, 1 or 2 passes at 1500, then 1 more pass at 900.



So between 4 and 5 passes.



Again, I dont know if this is overkill or not enough, it was my first time, but it definitely removed all marring from my test door and my fiances hood.



Jim
 
Are you applying any pressure when you are buffing? What is you speed on your buffer?

Is your polish aggressive enough? Is your polish too aggressive? It all comes into play. Good luck. Joe:nixweiss :tumblewee
 
No , just the weight of the machine. Of course this was on horizontal panels, Im sure *some* pressure needs to be applied if doing vertical panels, which I have not gotten to yet.



Jim
 
cobrar97- It just depends on the severity of the marring and the hardness of the paint. I'm doing many, many passes (more than your 8) on the M3 with H-T EC/cutting pads/rotary at high rpms. OTOH I've had some softer clears that corrected with two or three passes.



FWIW, I don't find OP to be all that perfect for some paints. I'm not a big fan of struggling to master products, so maybe there's something that'd work better for you.
 
I think Menzerna polishes break down fairly quickly and leave a 2nd to none finish. I personally will never try another polish now. Unless they are free of course:dance
 
I've heard nice things about Menzera, but also that they are HARD to use. Not recommended for beginners. What makes them hard to use. And what ones would somebody want to purchase?
 
stiffdogg06- A guy could do a lot worse than just sticking with Menzerna all right...I've only tried the FP (version 1) but a lot of people swear by that line.
 
cobrar97 said:
I've heard nice things about Menzera, but also that they are HARD to use. Not recommended for beginners. What makes them hard to use. And what ones would somebody want to purchase?
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Who in the world told you Menzerna polishes are hard to us! They are not hard to use at all, in fact Super Intensive Polish and 106FF are easy to use in my opinion. It seems strange to me that a lot of people on this web site having a hard time with a polish is using OP.

If OP is so easy to use, why are you making 8 or more passes and hardly getting anywhere?



Try another brand of polish. Some of the experts/Professionals here like the Presta brand of polishes, a lot swear by the HiTemp products from "topoftheline.com" like Xtreme Cut, I personally don't believe there is anything better currently than Menzerna Super Intensive Polish (SIP) and there PO106FF (a final polish).

Try the SIP with a Lake Country foam wool pad from AG then go to the 106FF with a blue or white foam pad and watch the magic happen!;)

Or you could try maybe 20 passes with the OP, maybe that will do it, maybe.:eek:

Good luck.



PS. I'm talking with a rotary here!
 
My local supplier (taneyhill productions) has this stuff called "Phase II" it's by far the most effect product I've ever used to get a super crystal shine and Zero swirls on even the darkest paint. Not sure if there's a national brand like it but it's definatly worth it's weight in gold to me. FWIW
 
I'm currently using Edge 2k pads. I'd like to continue using these, but I've heard SIP can be problems with them. Is that true?



If I were to buy some Menzerna products, do I just want SIP and 106FF, or is there others I'd want also?
 
SIP and Edge *Do not work together*. Wish I knew that before I started buying all this stuff.



According to Rydawg, the orange lc pads are the best to use with SIP. I have plenty of orange pads so I will use SIP with that along with my wool pads that are on order.



Hey Change, are you using your SIP on wool pads?



Jim
 
Yes Edge and just the SIP do not work that great together. The 106 works well with them though.



Back when I started using this polish all the pros out in the UK had tested lots of techniques and had come up with the megs polish pad 8006 as best used. I did like 3 or 4 cars with that pad and by the time I got to the middle of the job the pad was acting wierd and spitting these stringy funny looking things by rotary. Even with a clean pad it would still do it and then they all said it was very finicky at times in cold weather or damp weather. I wanted it to work cause I was very impressed with it.



So, I myself tried different things and different pads and the best ones with no issues were the orange LC pads. If the paint is softer then use a polish pad and make sure the panel is clean before with no residue. Even a QD wipedown on the panel will help to make it slicker for the polish pad.



The orange on rotary works great. If it is too stiff then rinse it and spin dry it on the rotary. Use only 4 drops to prime and 2 per 2x2 section. The pad will soften up just right.



Lots of late nights in the garage trying to get the perfect system for all of us!



The only problem is that all paints are different and react different.
 
Jakerooni said:
My local supplier (taneyhill productions) has this stuff called "Phase II" it's by far the most effect product I've ever used to get a super crystal shine and Zero swirls on even the darkest paint. Not sure if there's a national brand like it but it's definatly worth it's weight in gold to me. FWIW
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really? my supplier told me phase 2 was an aio and the phase 1 was the polish.. from what i understand.. the "phases" goes.. compounding, phase 1, phase 2, then final phase (a wax).
 
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