GearHead_1
Long Time Member
Apparently quite a few. If Ron were driving the out come would have been quite different. 
How many HP can a skilled driver give up and still win?
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JustJesus
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Yup yup. I'm far from a pro, but in my somewhat modified CRX, and about 185 bhp, I was able to pass up a few cars at the track.
edit: Not the best thing to watch, even a bit boring. And. This was me NOT going all out.
edit: Not the best thing to watch, even a bit boring. And. This was me NOT going all out.
Accumulator
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At Mid-Ohio, Accumulatorette *lapped* guys in serious cars. She was driving an 80s-vintage Benz S-Class coupe, totally stock.
For a whole lotta reasons, I'm a firm believer in focusing on the, uhm..."organic software" (i.e., the driver) instead of on the mechanical hardware (i.e., the car). Amazing what the right Driver's Training can do..
Heh heh, last autoX I attended, some guys sorta snickered about my showing up in a Crown Vic. Until I beat some "real" cars.
For a whole lotta reasons, I'm a firm believer in focusing on the, uhm..."organic software" (i.e., the driver) instead of on the mechanical hardware (i.e., the car). Amazing what the right Driver's Training can do..
Heh heh, last autoX I attended, some guys sorta snickered about my showing up in a Crown Vic. Until I beat some "real" cars.
JustJesus
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Accumulator - That is AWESOME! I like seeing women out there. My girl also likes to drive. She's beaten quite a few guys at a smaller "track" while driving the Yaris. 
In the Crown Vic. Now *that* is something I wouldn't expect to see out there. Cool deal
In the Crown Vic. Now *that* is something I wouldn't expect to see out there. Cool deal
Accumulator
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Accumulator - That is AWESOME! I like seeing women out there. My girl also likes to drive. She's beaten quite a few guys at a smaller "track" while driving the Yaris.
That's no surprise to me! Women often drive better, less Testosterone Induced Stupidity. The best driver I know is a woman (Hi, Janine!).
In the Crown Vic. Now *that* is something I wouldn't expect to see out there. Cool deal
It's that "upgrade the Organic Software" thing, that's the car I'm trained in (by Janine and others). Though that CV wasn't stock by a long shot
RaysWay
Autopia Specialist
Cool video Gearhead! I believe it. I always thought it was cool how Lewis Hamilton recorded the fastest lap on the Top Gear track using the same car as everyone else. It just showed me that a pro driver can really get the most out of any car and won't make mistakes that will slow you down like an average driver. I think the gap would be even larger with motorcycle riders too. A professional motorcycle rider will blow away an amateur using a more powerful motorcycle.
RaysWay
Autopia Specialist
Nice driving! I love CRX's too. I learned to drive stick in one and have loved them ever since.
Ronkh
Wax Waster
Drivers, all the way.
512detail
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my car has 383 at the wheels (480-90ish at engine) and runs a consistent 13.0X at the track (im 5speed auto and kind of a track rat)
a hellcat srt has an underrated 707 at engine (and runs 11.XX- or should at least)
I beat a 6 speed hellcat challenger, twice in a row on a quarter mile run because he couldn't control the car
now the third time he got a 12.7 - beat me but still VERY pathetic for that power
granted he should have murdered my car but I like the fact there are probably videos of my 09 srt beating a hellcat online and if nobody sees the times or counts the seconds my car seems much faster than it actually is
a hellcat srt has an underrated 707 at engine (and runs 11.XX- or should at least)
I beat a 6 speed hellcat challenger, twice in a row on a quarter mile run because he couldn't control the car
now the third time he got a 12.7 - beat me but still VERY pathetic for that power
granted he should have murdered my car but I like the fact there are probably videos of my 09 srt beating a hellcat online and if nobody sees the times or counts the seconds my car seems much faster than it actually is
512detail
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as far as the OP, who knows..would depend on track and both drivers (pro and non pro)
I'd say at least 10 seconds per minute of Normal person track time - if not more
I'd say at least 10 seconds per minute of Normal person track time - if not more
Ronkh
Wax Waster
my car has 383 at the wheels (480-90ish at engine) and runs a consistent 13.0X at the track (im 5speed auto and kind of a track rat)
a hellcat srt has an underrated 707 at engine (and runs 11.XX- or should at least)
I beat a 6 speed hellcat challenger, twice in a row on a quarter mile run because he couldn't control the car
now the third time he got a 12.7 - beat me but still VERY pathetic for that power
granted he should have murdered my car but I like the fact there are probably videos of my 09 srt beating a hellcat online and if nobody sees the times or counts the seconds my car seems much faster than it actually is
I do know that driving Stephen's srt, it's scary to control.......
JustJesus
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That's no surprise to me! Women often drive better, less Testosterone Induced Stupidity. The best driver I know is a woman (Hi, Janine!).
It's that "upgrade the Organic Software" thing, that's the car I'm trained in (by Janine and others). Though that CV wasn't stock by a long shot
hehe, I like that. Testosterone Induced Stupidity (TIS). I'll be using that with my car guy pals. - Modified CV? Nice!
Thanks. I did alright.
The CRX is still one of my all time favorite cars. Up until last year, my friend and I hosted a bi-monthly CRX meet for 10 years!
Those pics you posted are some nice examples.
512detail
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does he have the 8speed auto in his 392?
I beat my friends with the 8 speed auto's a lot because I run constant 13.0x and even if I spin (which barely ever happens) I still run at .2 or so
that first gear is so low in the 8speeds that most of them spin badly off the line and IF they run me down its right at 1000ft or after.
now my friend has an a8 scat pack 6.4 challenger and he runs 12.3-12.5 constantly but he's got It DIALED in
hellcat's best times were had starting in 2nd gear
Accumulator
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Yes indeed, the CRX is a great car! I rode along with a TrackTime instructor in one and he was just *killing* guys in "better" cars. Sometimes wish I still had mine...
512detail- The whole "controlling all that power" thing bites a lot of guys and makes me wonder how many HellCats are gonna get wrecked.
512detail- The whole "controlling all that power" thing bites a lot of guys and makes me wonder how many HellCats are gonna get wrecked.
Accumulator
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512detail- That ScatPack is a nice package IMO, I'd love to stick that drivetrain in a Police Package Charger. Think I'd honestly rather have that than a HellCat for a Real World car.
4u2nvinmtl
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I got beat by a four-door Toyota Echo in my Jeep SRT8. Here's the story (not what you think, I'm sure):
...A few months back I caught someone following me home. I take a very specific route that's out of the way for anyone living on my street, so I can check if I'm being followed a few blocks from home (yeah it's extreme but I rather not get my pride and joy stolen).
The first thing I did when I noticed I was being followed was, slow way down (from 40mph to 15mph) and they slowed down too, to keep a constant distance of about 100 yards. Then I pulled over like I was going to park and they pulled over to park as well (still about 100 yards behind me). I played with my phone for a few minutes and noticed they pulled out and crept by really slow (5-10mph) but the driver and passenger didn't look at me when they passed but I staired hard (to memorize their faces as much as possible). I pulled out behind them in a very obvious way because I want them to know I noticed them (to see how they would react). They turned right and then went out of the way to turn (right) down my street (could have turned on two other streets before mine, if they were lost or looking for parking). I followed them down my block debating to myself if I was just crazy, just then the driver booted it and burned the stop sign at the end of my block and almost got T-boned by another car who didn't have a stop! I pushed the gas pedal down and quickly caught up (SRT8 ftw). Oddly they turned right and right again to doubled back onto the same one-way street I cought them following me but this time, they were ripping doing 55mph+ in a ~30mph zone (it was a small Toyota Echo and I could hear the RMP's were high and he was starting to try to lose me). When they got to the end of that same street they turned right again (this completed a full trip around these 3 blocks), and I gunned just after the turn to keep up. I started thinking to myself "damn this guy is a good driver" because my SRT8 had to put down so much power just to keep up. Just then the Toyota Echo pulls over in front of a church I rush in to confront them (going at least, 80mph in a 25mph zone) and when I'm about 1 car length from pulling up beside them the driver pulls an insane U-turn with another car coming the opposite direction with less than 1 foot to spare from a serious accident on either side (me and the driver coming the other way). This causes the car to slam on his brakes to avoid hitting the Echo (I had to do the same). I pulled over to U-turn and rolled down my window. With the window down I could hear the Echo's tires squeal as he took the next two turns while I waited for the traffic caused by his insane U-turn to clear (pedestrians and drivers were still in shock). I turn the same way he did but he lost me. I never thought a Toyota Echo could dust me but he did. There was nothing I could do...
After the whole thing was over I sat and thought about it for a long time, a couple of things came to mind:
A: The driver had training and so did the passenger because I saw their faces again during the U-Turn and they were both calm despite the super close call on both sides.
B: They never looked at me once (very odd no matter the case at this point)
C: They had no fear of breaking the law, zero apprehension, and the driver clearly waited for the last second to make that U-turn so I couldn't catch them (wasn't his first time losing a faster car)
D: They had no fear of getting into a car accident and they didn't call anyone or even pull out a phone to take pictures/video (clearly I was right and they were following me or they would have tried to take pictures and video)
E: The passenger (woman) was way to calm considering the situation and didn't look around or panic at any point (my wife would have peed herself if she was in their car or mine)
Mistakes I made:
1. I let the car drive past me when I could have blocked the one way and confronted them right way (I wasn't 100% sure they were following me at that point, I was only 99% sure, lol)
2. I never took down the plate number (when you adrenaline starts flowing and your mind is racing trying to figure out why someone is following you it's hard to remember the plate number)
3. I never called the cops, I took things into my own hands (bad idea, no matter the case)
4. I should have played it cool and not let them realize I caught them following me (could have taken them on a wild goose chase at least)
I concluded it's most likely just the cops following me probably because of someone I know or because of my inlaws. I have nothing to hide from police so it was a relief to come to that conclusion. Just happy it didn't turn into an attempted carjacking at my home.
In this case I would say the Toyota Echo has roughly 300HP less than my mod'ed Jeep SRT8!
...A few months back I caught someone following me home. I take a very specific route that's out of the way for anyone living on my street, so I can check if I'm being followed a few blocks from home (yeah it's extreme but I rather not get my pride and joy stolen).
The first thing I did when I noticed I was being followed was, slow way down (from 40mph to 15mph) and they slowed down too, to keep a constant distance of about 100 yards. Then I pulled over like I was going to park and they pulled over to park as well (still about 100 yards behind me). I played with my phone for a few minutes and noticed they pulled out and crept by really slow (5-10mph) but the driver and passenger didn't look at me when they passed but I staired hard (to memorize their faces as much as possible). I pulled out behind them in a very obvious way because I want them to know I noticed them (to see how they would react). They turned right and then went out of the way to turn (right) down my street (could have turned on two other streets before mine, if they were lost or looking for parking). I followed them down my block debating to myself if I was just crazy, just then the driver booted it and burned the stop sign at the end of my block and almost got T-boned by another car who didn't have a stop! I pushed the gas pedal down and quickly caught up (SRT8 ftw). Oddly they turned right and right again to doubled back onto the same one-way street I cought them following me but this time, they were ripping doing 55mph+ in a ~30mph zone (it was a small Toyota Echo and I could hear the RMP's were high and he was starting to try to lose me). When they got to the end of that same street they turned right again (this completed a full trip around these 3 blocks), and I gunned just after the turn to keep up. I started thinking to myself "damn this guy is a good driver" because my SRT8 had to put down so much power just to keep up. Just then the Toyota Echo pulls over in front of a church I rush in to confront them (going at least, 80mph in a 25mph zone) and when I'm about 1 car length from pulling up beside them the driver pulls an insane U-turn with another car coming the opposite direction with less than 1 foot to spare from a serious accident on either side (me and the driver coming the other way). This causes the car to slam on his brakes to avoid hitting the Echo (I had to do the same). I pulled over to U-turn and rolled down my window. With the window down I could hear the Echo's tires squeal as he took the next two turns while I waited for the traffic caused by his insane U-turn to clear (pedestrians and drivers were still in shock). I turn the same way he did but he lost me. I never thought a Toyota Echo could dust me but he did. There was nothing I could do...
After the whole thing was over I sat and thought about it for a long time, a couple of things came to mind:
A: The driver had training and so did the passenger because I saw their faces again during the U-Turn and they were both calm despite the super close call on both sides.
B: They never looked at me once (very odd no matter the case at this point)
C: They had no fear of breaking the law, zero apprehension, and the driver clearly waited for the last second to make that U-turn so I couldn't catch them (wasn't his first time losing a faster car)
D: They had no fear of getting into a car accident and they didn't call anyone or even pull out a phone to take pictures/video (clearly I was right and they were following me or they would have tried to take pictures and video)
E: The passenger (woman) was way to calm considering the situation and didn't look around or panic at any point (my wife would have peed herself if she was in their car or mine)
Mistakes I made:
1. I let the car drive past me when I could have blocked the one way and confronted them right way (I wasn't 100% sure they were following me at that point, I was only 99% sure, lol)
2. I never took down the plate number (when you adrenaline starts flowing and your mind is racing trying to figure out why someone is following you it's hard to remember the plate number)
3. I never called the cops, I took things into my own hands (bad idea, no matter the case)
4. I should have played it cool and not let them realize I caught them following me (could have taken them on a wild goose chase at least)
I concluded it's most likely just the cops following me probably because of someone I know or because of my inlaws. I have nothing to hide from police so it was a relief to come to that conclusion. Just happy it didn't turn into an attempted carjacking at my home.
In this case I would say the Toyota Echo has roughly 300HP less than my mod'ed Jeep SRT8!
4u2nvinmtl
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JustJesus
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4u2nvi: A toyota Echo is quite similar to my Toyota Yaris. And I can tell you with certainty, it can be a capable car in the right hands. Throw some mods into it, suspension, LSD, and some go fast bits (they do have turbo kits that can be made to work) and it becomes a little beast. With me behind the wheel, I've danced around lessor drivers in better cars.
But those SRT8s aren't no joke! At that same track from the video, an SRT8 was there and was hitting, I believe the guy said 160. I couldn't keep up with him in that back straight (my CRX speed governed to about 123), but I'd make up for it in the twisty sections.
Be careful out there! Sounds like an adrenaline filled night, but scary at the same time!
And an SRT8 at autoX. Can't say I've seen that. I'd be curious to see it, though! (Take video)
But those SRT8s aren't no joke! At that same track from the video, an SRT8 was there and was hitting, I believe the guy said 160. I couldn't keep up with him in that back straight (my CRX speed governed to about 123), but I'd make up for it in the twisty sections.
Be careful out there! Sounds like an adrenaline filled night, but scary at the same time!
And an SRT8 at autoX. Can't say I've seen that. I'd be curious to see it, though! (Take video)
512detail
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I did the dodge srt experience back in 2010 and the jeep srt8 was the most fun on the road course at vegas motor speedway.
Accumulator
Well-known member
4u2nvinmetl- Interesting story! Glad it didn't, uhm...end badly. And yeah, my guess would also be that they were LEOs. The way they remained calm indicates Training.
Heh heh, note that plenty of LE agencies train at the place I'm always posting about (LINK: Vehicle Dynamics Institute - Advanced Driver Training - Vehicle Dynamics Institute ).
I don't want to derail the thread any more than I always seem to
by going over how to handle such situations, but:
-yeah, get the plate
-NO, don't escalate the situation by confronting them
-yeah, call 911
-drive to a Hospital/Fire Dept./Police Dept. and make a lot of noise with your horn as you pull in. DON'T go home
And please get your wife squared away...ya never know what she might have to deal with. Accumulatorette had to cope with armed guys trying to accost her on a deserted highway at night- she had to deal with it properly and immediately. When TSHTF (in her case, when the window came down and a gun came out), you simply gotta TCB and it *DOES* happen to normal people, especially female normal people who are all alone.
Heh heh, note that plenty of LE agencies train at the place I'm always posting about (LINK: Vehicle Dynamics Institute - Advanced Driver Training - Vehicle Dynamics Institute ).
I don't want to derail the thread any more than I always seem to
by going over how to handle such situations, but:-yeah, get the plate
-NO, don't escalate the situation by confronting them
-yeah, call 911
-drive to a Hospital/Fire Dept./Police Dept. and make a lot of noise with your horn as you pull in. DON'T go home
And please get your wife squared away...ya never know what she might have to deal with. Accumulatorette had to cope with armed guys trying to accost her on a deserted highway at night- she had to deal with it properly and immediately. When TSHTF (in her case, when the window came down and a gun came out), you simply gotta TCB and it *DOES* happen to normal people, especially female normal people who are all alone.