How does anyone coat a car with only 10cc of product?!?!?!?

TroyScherer

TroyScherer

Ummm.... Ya.....
Just like the title states.

How does anyone coat a car with only 10cc or less of product and think that ?!?!?!? Or even the 30ml of CQ or any other coating....





If you do the math there is almost no way for any of these coatings to create any kind of measurable thickness barrier; unless you use a lot ore product than supplied.



I bought a 10cc syringe of Opti-Gloss Coat simply to do the wheels on my GTI. The wheels are very simple and easy to detail so there wasn't any wasted product from intricate details I had a hard time with. Just for the wheels and calipers I used the ENTIRE 10cc of product. I didn't have any "high spot" issue I simply applied it as thick and uniform as possible. So based on this I have to step back and ask how anyone does all the paint and/or wheels on a care with 10cc or less of product. In my mind it just doesn't make sense.




Example of my wheels.

2015-volkswagen-gti-wheels-static.jpg












Discuss.....

 
I have not tried a coating yet but that is one the reasons I have not. So little product for so much money and how does that last that long being that thin. Must be Sorcery! I may try but its just so hard to pick which one to try also and they require a ton of prep time. Hydro2 is just so easy and last long enough.
Thought about that new wolfgang one but WOW 15CC 100$ 30CC 150$ and what if I do it wrong.
 
Troy, Beautiful Wheels ! Great Job !

Great question -

Since I painted before and knew how to lay down thin coats of paint vs thick coats of primer, and I graduated with honors from the Zaino University - School of ThinEvenCoat, it has always been pretty easy to just put down thin, even coats of whatever I was using..

When coatings first came out, almost 10 years back, the mantra was to apply a thin coat, and look for high spots and even them out before it dried..
There were even videos of people doing it in this manner..

No one ever decided it was now necessary to apply a thicker coat - until I believe more coatings came on the scene and the longevity was starting to be less than desired..

For starters, to get your product to go farther, you need to examine what you are applying it with, and use the media that will absorb hardly any if possible and release it all on the vehicle..
And then, carefully decide how much to add in cc's to the media each time you need more..

I dont remember anyone including myself that ever looked at the applicator afterwards and tried to somehow remove what was left and put it somehow back into the syringe...

It appears that we will always have our own built in thickness/thinness meter and do this consistently unless we want to try to change it...

Unless there is some sort of scientific thickness-of-a-liquid-measuring-tool that you can just point and shoot like an Infrared hand held thermometer, this will always be the challenge when working with just so much product..
Dan F
 
The only thing your "coating" is the owners wallet. I think the biggest joke is the money spent on products to re-coat surfaces that were already made with the best protective coating out there. My hygienist just paid 1400.00 dollars for a ceramic coating on her BMW. Can someone please tell me how to get on the receiving end of these transactions??? To boot, she asked me how to get the water spots off the coating. I told her bring it back to the guy who did it. I could use a couple a month. If I tell clients their cars should be done three times a year, they look at me like I'm nuts.
 
It's all about application method and material.

Micro suede mini clothes give me excellent results and lay down a nice thin layer of product. I also use medical gauze and get good results with that. 10cc should be able to cover a Jetta sized 4 door with no problems.

Anthony
 
Paintxpert said:
The only thing your "coating" is the owners wallet. I think the biggest joke is the money spent on products to re-coat surfaces that were already made with the best protective coating out there. My hygienist just paid 1400.00 dollars for a ceramic coating on her BMW. Can someone please tell me how to get on the receiving end of these transactions??? To boot, she asked me how to get the water spots off the coating. I told her bring it back to the guy who did it. I could use a couple a month. If I tell clients their cars should be done three times a year, they look at me like I'm nuts.
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So you use a wax which is just an oil that sits or lays on paint with no bonding properties and will evaporate within weeks? Or perhaps a polymer sealant which will cross link and bond yet again give you a few months durability based on how it's cared for?

Let's say a customer comes in for a monthly wash and wax. They drop $125 to $150. In one year how much have they spent? $1,500 to $1,800. Suddenly a $1,400 coating, which if applied properly, needs little maintenance done other then washing.

We teach our clients how to maintain their coated cars and they love it. No more car washes and no more waxing, unless of course they so desire.

In the end, to each their own.

Anthony
 
If the viscosity of the coating is thin enough it would be easier to do thin layers. If the coating is designed to chemical bond to the paints surface it will create a barrier that won't wash away.

If you wax a car you can't add a thick layer. No mater how much or thick you apply it only a very thin layer is actually touching the paint. The remainder just sits on top of itself. What you wipe away would be considered waste.

1200.00 for a profesional coating is cheep considering Opti-Coat pro plus is 200.00 and Most Modesta coatings run close to 300.00 These are 15cc for OCP+ and 30ml bottles for Modesta. For that price you have to wash clay do a decon wash. Primer polish the car and apply the coating. Then we provide a checkup wash after 30 days for free. As a shop owner I have overhead not to mention keeping 5 of each of these brands in stock at all times so were always ready to go.
 
Ron Harris said:
If you wax a car you can't add a thick layer. No mater how much or thick you apply it only a very thin layer is actually touching the paint. The remainder just sits on top of itself. What you wipe away would be considered waste.
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The good old days, when we used to put on a "heavy coat of wax" for the winter............. Ahhhh yes.

Then sometime around late 90's, someone said, "hey idiot, you may put it on heavy, but what ya wipe off? It's wasted."
 
Back in the 80's(when I was a teen) all our cars panels had white outlined in the cracks from the thick layers of wax I used to apply. Oh not to mention the 1/2 gallon of Armor All applied to the tires and vinyl tops! :)
 
The Wolfsgang coating is supposed to coat 3 midsize cars with only 15 cc of product. If I get two cars out it I will be very happy.
 
Paintxpert said:
The only thing your "coating" is the owners wallet. I think the biggest joke is the money spent on products to re-coat surfaces that were already made with the best protective coating out there.
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I will disagree with this statement. I don't think clear coat on a car is the "best" coating available. It is very good but I belive there are better. Let's be honest most vehicle mgfts try to balance some longer term durability with cost. So they are not really putting the absolute best product out there or your 20k would cost 25-30k.
 
rlmccarty2000 said:
The Wolfsgang coating is supposed to coat 3 midsize cars with only 15 cc of product. If I get two cars out it I will be very happy.
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Based on my use of other coatings I would guess I could use 20-30cc of the coating to do all the paint on a car and have almost no high spots or extra product.



I am am coing to belive that a "thicker" coating will allow for better more "impenetrable" barrier.



I like the conversation so far.
 
Paintxpert said:
The only thing your "coating" is the owners wallet. I think the biggest joke is the money spent on products to re-coat surfaces that were already made with the best protective coating out there. My hygienist just paid 1400.00 dollars for a ceramic coating on her BMW. Can someone please tell me how to get on the receiving end of these transactions??? To boot, she asked me how to get the water spots off the coating. I told her bring it back to the guy who did it. I could use a couple a month. If I tell clients their cars should be done three times a year, they look at me like I'm nuts.
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Tell this to everyone out there driving around with bug damage all over the front of their cars or blemishes from tree sap, bird droppings etc... Some of which have been told that clear coated cars don't need to be waxed or protected further. It's a fact that glass coatings protect very well against damage like this.

You can compare cost of coatings to the cost of multiple applications of a wax or sealant. More importantly, compare the value of a car with paint blemishes and bug damage to a car that has been protected with a glass coating that prevents these issues.
 
I would suggest you try a coating before you post as if you had tried one you would would clearly see that your post in highly inaccurate.

That said coatings are not for everyone. Some people like to spend time waxing and re waxing their cars when all I have to do is wash my coated cars. It saved me hours a month on maintenance. I can knock out a full wash and interior with wheels (coated as well) in about 1 hour and it looks just detailed good.

Paintxpert said:
The only thing your "coating" is the owners wallet. I think the biggest joke is the money spent on products to re-coat surfaces that were already made with the best protective coating out there. My hygienist just paid 1400.00 dollars for a ceramic coating on her BMW. Can someone please tell me how to get on the receiving end of these transactions??? To boot, she asked me how to get the water spots off the coating. I told her bring it back to the guy who did it. I could use a couple a month. If I tell clients their cars should be done three times a year, they look at me like I'm nuts.
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I have not been able to "coat a car with only 10cc of product"
Usually the 10cc size is a "sample" size to see if you like it.
 
More pics of the GTI.

TroyScherer said:
Just like the title states.

How does anyone coat a car with only 10cc or less of product and think that ?!?!?!? Or even the 30ml of CQ or any other coating....





If you do the math there is almost no way for any of these coatings to create any kind of measurable thickness barrier; unless you use a lot ore product than supplied.



I bought a 10cc syringe of Opti-Gloss Coat simply to do the wheels on my GTI. The wheels are very simple and easy to detail so there wasn't any wasted product from intricate details I had a hard time with. Just for the wheels and calipers I used the ENTIRE 10cc of product. I didn't have any "high spot" issue I simply applied it as thick and uniform as possible. So based on this I have to step back and ask how anyone does all the paint and/or wheels on a care with 10cc or less of product. In my mind it just doesn't make sense.




Example of my wheels.

2015-volkswagen-gti-wheels-static.jpg












Discuss.....
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Merlin said:
I have not been able to "coat a car with only 10cc of product"
Usually the 10cc size is a "sample" size to see if you like it.
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The 10cc I was referencing was for Opti Gloss Coat and others that use the Syringe.

For stuff like CQ, CQUK and others I was referencing to 30ml. I have never seen Cq and others in the bottles referenced in "cc".
 
I imagine that there are hundreds of coating users who will testify that 10cc's or 30ml was enough to coat their entire vehicle and provide longer and better protection than a typical wax or sealant. I am one of them. I imagine there are hundreds of people who look at a 30ml jar of Dodo Juice wax and say that it is not enough wax to apply to a single vehicle. We just have to decide who to believe.

Or we can just add this great mystery to my list of life's unanswered questions....

Can you cry underwater?
Where do all the socks go?
Why does anyone that believes a tomato is a fruit, still allowed to be a scientist?
What is the hacky, that's in a sack?
Why does everybody love Raymond?
Why is it called a building, if it's already built?

p.s. I used ~8cc's of Gloss-Coat to cover my car and used the included applicator. I've applied less using different applicators and application methods. Gloss-Coat is still working great on my car 439 days later (to date).
 
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