How does a spray LSP product work?

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SamIam

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I have pondered and pondered till my ponderer was sore and wondered: If you spray a wax/sealant on a prepped surface, and then immediatly buff it off, can you really be sure that you have any product bonded to the surface? I can understand if you spread it around and let it dry, but if you immediately take it off wet with a microfiber, what's actually left behind, and how can you be sure it's there?:nixweiss



Any direction to this science school dropout would be appreciated.



Sam
 
Can I ask what product you are speaking of? Because most of the spray LSPs that I use, you must really work into the paint.
 
I believe most products that are labeled "full fledged stand alone "spray" sealants" must dwell on the surface. Most sealants state this in their directions. I believe the WOWO method was develop to aid in removal of some sealants that if applied per manufacturer's direction become very difficult to remove. :nixweiss



This excludes spray booster sealants like Z8, not marketed or recommended as a stand alone LSP, which bonds to existing Z2, Z5, ZAIO or CS upon contact and buffing into finish via its likeness in "structural" make-up.
 
SamIam said:
I have pondered and pondered till my ponderer was sore and wondered: If you spray a wax/sealant on a prepped surface, and then immediatly buff it off, can you really be sure that you have any product bonded to the surface? I can understand if you spread it around and let it dry, but if you immediately take it off wet with a microfiber, what's actually left behind, and how can you be sure it's there?:nixweiss



Any direction to this science school dropout would be appreciated.



Sam
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I believe that spray sealants (AW, Z8, JW, etc...) work much like any other LSP really. I mean, when you spray the paint surface with the sealant, a micro fine layer of the product will begin bonding to the paint, while the leftovers or remainder is absorbed into the towel. When you wipe the spray sealant away, it is not all taken back off the surface with the towel and therefore a microfilm remains to bond to the surface. Much like any traditional wipe on/buff off LSP I think. Even when you apply a normal sealant to the surface, wait for it to dry, and then wipe off, you are essentially wiping away a large majority of the product back into the towel. What remains on the surface is a micro fine layer that is not visible. I believe the same is true for spray sealants...at least IMO.



Hope that makes sense! :)







Regards,



Mike
 
TigerMike, with Grojet2000 that doesn't make sense.





Using it with WOWO you will just do a chemical cleaning (high cleaning power) VS waiting about 20/30 minutes you allow the solvents going away and let the "sealant" sticking to the clearcote. Then you'll wipeoff the residue from the reaction of solidification. ;)



But with AW I have some doubts about it. Only Duragloss can clear it all. :(



I had some problems to write the idea. My english s*cks a little. :D
 
Don't have the answer why but I can assure you that Duragloss AW and Optimum Spray Wax both leave good layers of protection. Remember that most of these products merely protect and do nothing with regards to cleaning.

Works for me.
 
I was thinking of AW, Optimum, as well as the new sealant from David.



I am guessing that Tiger Mike knows best, but maybe David or someone who is on the production side can answer.



Sam
 
we're talking about things at the molecular level here. when you spray something onto the paint, it only needs (and can hold on to) a layer molecules thick. you wipe off 99.9% of what you spray on. this is true for pastes, creams, liquids, and any other form of products we use on here.



this is circling the dreaded "layering" topic. ;)



i shouldn't say it, but i will: if "layering" actually took place at a significant level, then people putting dozens or more applications of certain products would see physical layers of product on the paint...not just a perception of "it looks better". :)



layering may work better simply because you are ensuring better coverage and full bonding of the product...but little increase in "vertical" layering is happening.



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